WORTH WATCHING......... BUT BE WARNED !!!!!!!

After watching the video, just how much of this to you think is true?

100% It's aLL true, and were are all screwed
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14%
80% I'm pretty sure most if it is true
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33%
60% Alot of it could be true
3
14%
40% Some it sounds possible
0
No votes
20% There might be somthing true
3
14%
0% It's all bullshit, and lies
5
24%
 
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Post by Dreamer » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:49 am

You gotta see this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjjK2MY ... re=related

I wonder if "they" have sen this video, and learn some things from it so it won't be so obvious next time they try and pull something like this off...
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Post by Mr. M-500t » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:25 am

OH MY GOD ! #-o #-o #-o

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Post by Toy Maker » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:11 am

Too many questions, and too much cover-up... I think they should all be taken out and shot exicution style !!


I'm not a huge History buff... and till now, never really cared too much about it. But with things going the way ythey are, It has become quite a bit more interesting to me. For anyone that has HBO, start watching the Mini Series - John Adams !! Really a good show, and packed full of the very beginning of the US government... I was watching the other night, and they were drafting the "United States Declaration of Independence".
Very interesting, since I have never read it myself. I was most interested in a spacific section they read off......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... dependence

---Preamble---
Outlines a general philosophy of government that justifies revolution when government harms natural rights. ---

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

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Post by TNRabbit » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:15 am

You know, Richard; for an extremely intelligent guy, I'm really surprised you and others on the forum have fallen for this crap...

I'm dismayed this thread has reached such proportions. :-s

Am I the only one who thinks this is all a load or hooey? :-k

However, I DO support everyone's right to believe what they want and I still relish the raucous debate & colorful ideas we have here. Life would be pretty damn boring if we all wore the same color shirt (sic)...
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Post by frankieD » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:01 pm

It depends on what you mean by "all this hooy". Eight years ago we had a sleazebag president who left office sort of in disgrace. However he also left a balanced budget, a shrinking deficit, relative peace and a pretty good reputation around the world. (btw Clinton went to congress twice wanting to go after Bin Laden and warning that he (Bin Laden) was not to be taken lightly. He was turned down.)

Now we have the largest deficit in HISTORY! We are engaged in a war with the wrong people, Bin Laden lives and taunts us. Between the war and the interest on the deficit we are spending over 30 Billion dollars a month. Iraq has cheap oil, we are approaching $4.00 a gallon here. What happened?

It is an old investigative axiom: Follow the money!

Exxon profit last year: over 40 Billion dollars. Not to worry though because the CEO gets a tax break.

WTF


Obviously SOMETHINGS WRONG.

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Post by Mr. M-500t » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:33 pm

Gary said,

Life would be pretty damn boring if we all wore the same color shirt (sic)...

Thats where we're headed if this Government of ours is allowed to continue on it's present course Gary !

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Post by Toy Maker » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:04 pm

Yeah, they won't care what color the shirt is, as long as you buy it from them, and you pay taxes on that shirt every year, as long as you own it, even if you don't ware it anymore, and as soon as you throw it away, they will make sure you dispose of it properly, and of course pay the disposal fees and taxes.
But it won't matter what color it was... unless it was red, then there is a 10% environmental de-dying charge + any applicatable local taxes.

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Post by Dreamer » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:30 pm

TNRabbit wrote:You know, Richard; for an extremely intelligent guy, I'm really surprised you and others on the forum have fallen for this crap...
As tempted as I am to enter into diatribe about intellectual dishonesty in debate in response to this remark I'm going to refrain.

However, I WILL list a few examples of the historical precedent of "love and concern" for, and "truthfulness" with, US citizens by it's government and military-industrial complex. I'll let the reader's decide if the concept of killing close to 4000 American citizens for the promise of a multi-TRILLION dollar boost in the economy is outlandish or unprecedented...

-Slavery
-Indian Reservations
-Typhus-contaminated blankets for Native Americans
-The Lusitania
-The Tuskegee Experiment
-Pearl Harbor
-Internment camps for Japanese-Americans during WWII
-Oak Ridge National Labs during the Manhattan Project
-Project Paperclip
-Nuclear Testing using Military personnel during the 1950's
-The Gulf of Tonkin incident
-Project MK-Ultra
-Project MKOFTEN
-Project MKSEARCH
-Project Jennifer
-Agent Orange
-Thalidamide
-Love Canal
-HAARP
-Fernald School Plutonium-injection experiments

I suppose we'll have to wait until after 2030 for the declassified records of operation of the 1970's and 1980's are released, but I doubt that we'll see any change in this trend once the truth comes out about the 2nd half of the 20th century.

Truth will win out...

Gary, I think you are a very intelligent guy too, but please, don't let your job blind you to the truth of the history of your employers...

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Post by Dreamer » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:35 am

"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."

--George Orwell


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Post by Mr. M-500t » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:22 pm

Has anybody ever gone to see this ?

The Georgia Guidestones

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On one of the highest hilltops in Elbert County, Georgia stands a huge granite monument. Engraved in eight different languages on the four giant stones that support the common capstone are 10 Guides, or commandments. That monument is alternately referred to as The Georgia Guidestones, or the American Stonehenge. Though relatively unknown to most people, it is an important link to the Occult Hierarchy that dominates the world in which we live.
The origin of that strange monument is shrouded in mystery because no one knows the true identity of the man, or men, who commissioned its construction. All that is known for certain is that in June 1979, a well-dressed, articulate stranger visited the office of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company and announced that he wanted to build an edifice to transmit a message to mankind. He identified himself as R. C. Christian, but it soon became apparent that was not his real name. He said that he represented a group of men who wanted to offer direction to humanity, but to date, almost two decades later, no one knows who R. C. Christian really was, or the names of those he represented. Several things are apparent. The messages engraved on the Georgia Guidestones deal with four major fields: (1) Governance and the establishment of a world government, (2) Population and reproduction control, (3) The environment and man's relationship to nature, and (4) Spirituality.

In the public library in Elberton, I found a book written by the man who called himself R.C. Christian. I discovered that the monument he commissioned had been erected in recognition of Thomas Paine and the occult philosophy he espoused. Indeed, the Georgia Guidestones are used for occult ceremonies and mystic celebrations to this very day. Tragically, only one religious leader in the area had the courage to speak out against the American Stonehenge, and he has recently relocated his ministry.

THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world's people. The American Stonehenge's reference to establishing a world court foreshadows the current move to create an International Criminal Court and a world government. The Guidestones' emphasis on preserving nature anticipates the environmental movement of the 1990s, and the reference to "seeking harmony with the infinite" reflects the current effort to replace Judeo-Christian beliefs with a new spirituality.

The message of the American Stonehenge also foreshadowed the current drive for Sustainable Development. Any time you hear the phrase "Sustainable Development" used, you should substitute the term "socialism" to be able to understand what is intended. Later in this syllabus you will read the full text of the Earth Charter which was compiled under the direction of Mikhail Gorbachev and Maurice Strong. In that document you will find an emphasis on the same basic issues: control of reproduction, world governance, the importance of nature and the environment, and a new spirituality. The similarity between the ideas engraved on the Georgia Guidestones and those espoused in the Earth Charter reflect the common origins of both.

Yoko Ono, the widow of John Lennon, was recently quoted as referring to the American Stonehenge, saying:

"I want people to know about the stones ... We're headed toward a world where we might blow ourselves up and maybe the globe will not exist ... it's a nice time to reaffirm ourselves, knowing all the beautiful things that are in this country and the Georgia Stones symbolize that. " (1)

What is the true significance of the American Stonehenge, and why is its covert message important? Because it confirms the fact that there was a covert group intent on

(1) Dramatically reducing the population of the world.
(2) Promoting environmentalism.
(3) Establishing a world government.
(4) Promoting a new spirituality.

Certainly the group that commissioned the Georgia Guidestones is one of many similar groups working together toward a New World Order, a new world economic system, and a new world spirituality. Behind those groups, however, are dark spiritual forces. Without understanding the nature of those dark forces it is impossible to understand the unfolding of world events.

The fact that most Americans have never heard of the Georgia Guidestones or their message to humanity reflects the degree of control that exists today over what the American people think. We ignore that message at our peril.

Copies are available for researchers from Radio Liberty.
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The Age of Reason was a book written by Thomas Paine. Its intent was to destroy the Judeo-Christian beliefs upon which our Republic was founded.
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The hole that you see in the stone was drilled in the Center Stone so that the North Star could be visualized through it at any moment. This was one of several requirements stipulated by R.C.Christian for the building of the American Stonehenge and reflects his obsession with the alignment of the stars, the sun, and the moon. Occultists often worship the alignment and movement of heavenly bodies as part of their religious ceremonie.

Hmmmmmmmm ???????

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Mr. M-500t wrote: Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world's people.

Well, if we go by IQ, may this isn't such a bad thing--we would definitely get rid of the "80%" that I've been talking about. And we'd still have the required skills and intelligence to generate electricity, maintain the Internet and telephone systems, and build, manufacture, and repair vehicles...

However, if we go by net worth, there wouldn't be enough brainpower on the planet to make candles and build a crystal radio...

Mr. M-500t wrote:The Guidestones' emphasis on preserving nature anticipates the environmental movement of the 1990s, and the reference to "seeking harmony with the infinite" reflects the current effort to replace Judeo-Christian beliefs with a new spirituality.
This is obviously an attempt at some sort of oblique suggestion that this has something to do with Anti-Semitism, and is also perpetuating the myth that the "founding fathers" were somehow spiritually similar to the modern "Fundamentalist Christian" movement. The reality is that almost all the "founding fathers" were Animists, and although they may have been members of Protestant churches of their day, most of them were about as far removed from modern "Fundamentalist Christian" thinking, philosophy, and theology as the Dali Llama. Paine, Franklin, Jefferson, Washington--all these cats were WAY out on the "freethought" fringe, and by todays standards would probably be labeled as "tools of Satan" by the likes of Pat Robertson and George W. Bush.

Mr. M-500t wrote:The Age of Reason was a book written by Thomas Paine. Its intent was to destroy the Judeo-Christian beliefs upon which our Republic was founded.
Again, with the "Chirstian Founding Fathers" myth...

Our Republic was based a LOT more closely on the Roman and Greek ideas of representative government than ANYTHING that ever came out of Judeo-Christian thought. After all, what religions did the Romans and Greeks follow?--they were Pagans. In fact, the idea of political self-determination is fundamentally anti-Christian (or at least anti-Fundamentalist), because it allows every individual to have an equal say, regardless of whether or not they are "saved" or "anointed". Paine was a free-thinker, and believed (like Franklin and Jefferson) that each and every person had the "divine Spark" inside them, and it was the fundamental purpose of mankind to discover, develop and nurture this "individual divinity" in us all. No Pope, Preacher, or Prelate could "show us the way". Political self-determination and representative government have a LOT more in common philosophically with Gnostic Christian thought than what is currently passing for "Christianity" in political circles.

Fundamentalism is dangerous--no matter what sort it is--Christian, Islamic, Jewish, Hindu, whatever. A close study of ALL fundamentalist movements will very quickly show that they have little in common with the "fundamental" teachings of their supposed belief systems, and are often a patchwork of political agendas, sociological control structures, and backlash against a radically changing culture, society, or economy. Fundamentalist movements generally arise during times of great social, economic, or political upheaval, when old systems are being replaced with new systems, and when old power-centers are giving way to new ways of thought. They NEVER hearken back to the original teachings of religious founders, but are rather, an amalgam of modern romaticised revisionism, political backlash, and wholesale fabrication.

Mr. M-500t wrote:The hole that you see in the stone was drilled in the Center Stone so that the North Star could be visualized through it at any moment. This was one of several requirements stipulated by R.C.Christian for the building of the American Stonehenge and reflects his obsession with the alignment of the stars, the sun, and the moon. Occultists often worship the alignment and movement of heavenly bodies as part of their religious ceremonie.
Notre Dame Cathedral, The Cathedral at Chartre, St. Vitus' Cathedral and St. George's Church in the Castle of Prague, the National Cathedral in Washington--all of these have remarkable alignments to one or many astronomical events--the North Star, the Spring Sunrise, the sun's (or moon's) position at each Solstice and Equinox at noon.

So does this make the Catholic Church some sort of Occult Conspiracy? (well, I think that goes without saying, if one knows the dictionary definition of "occult". Catholic doctrine allows only for priests and the "specially anointed" to interpret their scripture, and for centuries actually outlawed the ownership of or reading of the Bible by non-ordained members. Hidden=Occult, so in the strictest sense of the word, at least from a sociological and anthropological sense, the Catholic Church IS an Occult/Mystery religion...)

The point I'm making is that a LOT of big monuments have astronomical alignment--the US Capital, Olympic stadiums, the 150-year-old pear trees in front of my father's farmhouse--some by purpose, some by coincidence. Generally, any large feature that is oriented on the compass will display astronomical alignments...

This monument in Georgia was the product of some relatively wealthy pranksters who had a slightly "one world" leaning. Nothing more, nothing less. Now if this thing was a well-known monument, or was located in some prominent location, or was part of some large governmental or corporate installation, THEN I might think it's part of the "bigger picture". But no, it's hidden away in some backwoods Georgia forest, in a location that holds no geomantic, occultic, strategic, or archaeological sigificance. It's a quaint oddity with just enough mystery to throw the "watchdogs" of the "real scent", IMO...

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Post by Mr. M-500t » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:22 pm

Richard,
I didn't say any of it. I just cut & pasted it. O:)
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Post by Dreamer » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:49 pm

Yeah, I figured as much. But for a minute there, I was starting to worry... :-k

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Post by boomer-X » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:18 pm

The founding fathers although Christians were also HEAVILY influenced by the Enlightenment.

Don't forget the most famous astronomic/seasonal calendar - the Stonehenge monument.

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Post by Mr. M-500t » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:37 pm

boomer-X wrote:The founding fathers although Christians were also HEAVILY influenced by the Enlightenment.

Don't forget the most famous astronomic/seasonal calendar - the Stonehenge monument.

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