New ALS $22,000

Amazing Line Source - A new speaker design by Bob Carver and James Sauter
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New ALS $22,000

Post by jjptkd » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:22 pm

Just found this on Audiogon:

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/bob-ca ... -speaker-a

These speakers are not available to purchase on this website. This is a informational ad for the announcement and debut of the speakers at AXPONA. Please disregard the Buy it Now button and payment method information as it is required to make the posting.

Bob Carver LLC debuts the Amazing Line Source Speaker at Axpona Trade show March 8th in Jacksonville Florida

Lexington, Kentucky, Bob Carver LLC - a specialist in the design and manufacture of audiophile products announced a radically new Line Source Speaker to be debuted at the AXPONA Trade Show.

What we will hear:
My Amazing Line Source Speakers present a huge and majestic soundstage that captures the complete sense of acoustic space that helps make music come to life in our listening rooms.
You will hear beautiful sound images inside that larger acoustic that will seem so real it will be downright spooky.
There will be a soundstage that extends far back from the speakers, and it will be much wider than the speakers.
A solo female singer will appear center stage, up and back slightly, perfectly focused, singing her heart out as if she were in our room, all the while being inside that larger acoustic bubble. It is very, very spooky.
And I promise that Beethoven’s Ninth symphony will bring tears to your eyes - Bob Carver.
Bob Carver continues to astound me by applying physics theory to everyday problems resulting in jaw dropping acoustical transparency and realism. There is nothing “Mad” about his science and once again Bob backs his claims with unmatched performance - Bob Farinelli.

How it works: A line source speaker is simply a speaker so tall and acoustically long that we, the listener, hear a speaker that goes all the way to infinity. Up to infinity and down to infinity, resulting in what a scientist would call a “perfect wave launch.”
The wave from the speaker sounds as if it emanates from a gossamer thin filament running from below the center of the earth to beyond the moon. A pure cylindrical sound wave.
When we listen to such a wave, we find that we can hear musical nuances that we often cannot hear at all using conventional speakers.
An analogy is to consider a thin pole that is eight feet tall, extending from floor to ceiling. On the pole are mounted 22 lit birthday candles, each a light source. Additionally, imagine the floor and ceiling to be perfectly polished mirrors. When we look down a the bottom of our speaker, we will see lit candles reflected in the mirror continuing all the way down to minus infinity. If we look up towards the top of our speaker, we will see the reflections of candles that go up to plus infinity. Here’s the best part: All these reflections are real light sources to our eyes, as real as any real candle; we can read a book by their light. The candles in the mirrors make light just as well as the actual candles in the room on that pole. Absolutely non-intuitive! Now instead of candles, imagine that we replace them with lots of small loudspeaker drivers. The same holds true for speakers and candles alike; the speakers in the mirror make just as much sound as the speakers in the room, and behave for sound the same way as the candles behaved for light.
Here is the second best part: we can remove the polished mirrors and just use the floor and ceiling to make the line source work perfectly! - Bob Carver
The Amazing Line Source (ALS) Preliminary Specifications:
Height: 8 Feet
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by jjptkd » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:48 pm

So at $22k I'm wondering how many pre-orders he's expecting, anyone here going to buy a set? :-k :-k
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by sisu1a » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:31 pm

at $22k... anyone here going to buy a set?
...my dreams were crushed when they were only $18k... :(

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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by mbskeam » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:54 pm

spendy aren't they....
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by Martin1970 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:36 pm

If you spent that on Amazings,
you'd have enough ribbons to span a football field and put a woofer every foot.
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by kingman » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:20 pm

At least I got to hear them... :rolleyes:
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by Zoot Horn » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:32 pm

way outta my price range

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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by elgrau » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:27 pm

I'll build you a set of spherical speakers for ~half that price (14 8" and 1" drivers per speakers). And the last time I checked, musical instruments emit sound from POINT sources, not "lines to infinity". Spherical speakers also emit sound (spherically in all directions just like a musical instrument!) from a point source (i.e., the center of the sphere). Just say'n..... Makes me all the more anxious to finish my 8" woofered HW veneered spherical speakers! The proof is in the listening of course. To each his own!

But one thing I don't see addressed in these ALS's is "enclosure" rigidity (i.e., the "grounding" of the driver frame relative to the cone motion). For signal "purity" it must be (as close as possible to) zero. Which is another reason I like the 1.5" thick curved shell of the sphere's: the "arch" effect of this makes these enclosures ~4x stiffer than conventional "flat plate" enclosures (or more quanitatively, the fundamental (i.e., lowest) frequency of a spherical shell is ~2x that of a flat plate (which means that the stiffness is ~4x because frequency varies as the square root of stiffness...).
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by treitz3 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:03 pm

May the audio Gods bless this speaker. Unfortunately, I can not make this show...damnit. 22K had better well make some ears perk. That's all I have to say about that.

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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by mbskeam » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:19 pm

Cabinet: 1 piece extruded aluminum cabinet
Number of front firing 8” ribbons: 13
Number of side firing 4” high excursion drivers: 22
Rated Power: 2,000 watts
SPL: 121 dB
Sensitivity: -96 dB
what I dont see is the Ohm rating.....

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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by TNRabbit » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:24 pm

To answer Ed's question: this is an exceptionally rigid structure, as well as having woofers on opposite sides for motion cancellation. I don't see that as an issue.

I will predict that they will be routinely offered for under $15k by late 2013.
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by TNRabbit » Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:46 am

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"Obviously, only dedicated audiophiles will want a $27K speaker that stretches from floor to ceiling, which is why Carver’s also working on smaller models. One is about 2.5 feet high, the other looks less than a foot high — essentially a slimmer, taller, extruded-aluminum version of the original Cinema Ribbon with just one woofer instead of two.

Referring to the 2.5-foot-high prototype, Carver said, “It’s surprising. When you play one of them in mono, it just sounds like a little speaker sitting on the floor. But when you play them in stereo, the sound image rises up and they sound huge."
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by Martin1970 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:47 am

Wish I knew more about those midrange drivers. t/s parameters, manufacturer. They might be right for an ESL project idea I'm fiddling with.
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by TNRabbit » Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:11 pm

The above pic & quote was from this article:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2 ... bob-carver
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Re: New ALS $22,000

Post by Odysseous » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:57 pm

Wow!! In the first photo in that Sound & Vision article, Bob's wearing the golf cap I gave him! That's awesome! ... It made my day!
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