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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by speedracer » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:44 pm

Soooooooo what happen to the new ruber surrounds, I need to fix my Carver Amazing Silvers [-o< [-o< [-o< 8-[ 8-[
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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by jjptkd » Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:54 pm

Won't rubber surrounds change the specs of the speaker?
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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by mbskeam » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:24 pm

not that much.
if you really want real hard in your chest thumpin, you need real subs....
years ago I had 2 15" subs crossed over at 60Hz, runnin with my plats, this sounded real good, and the woofers did not have to work as hard.....
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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by jjptkd » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:02 am

I always runs subs any more, it just makes sense. A friend of mine liked to argue the fact until I brought him one to try out, now he won't give it up. :D :D A good sub can make a small pair of speakers sound big and a big pair huge, plus I find if the bottem end is filled in properly I don't turn it up quite as loud. :o
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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by F1nut » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:49 am

I have to disagree that a sub is needed with big speakers. It's all in the design. The Amazings use an open baffle design and therefore the bass is quite different than that of a sealed or ported design. You are not going to get that hard, in your chest thumpin bass from them. Additionally, really deep bass isn't heard, it's felt, but not that thumping stuff either. Deep bass rumbles and shakes things. My speakers, which have rubber surrounds, have no problem producing that deep bass, no sub needed.
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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by mbskeam » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:04 pm

oh I do think that you are correct,
but when I listen to home theater, I have to EQ the curve down on the bottom end, or else I can and have bottomed out the woofers on these, #-o #-o #-o a very ugly sound for sure. lots of very very low end and loud...rise of the lycans comes to mind.
my music taste from back then are a bit diffrent than now.....
very hard and loud, now it's a bit more mellow..... :) :) :)
still going to add subs...... for when I get into that wrong frame of mind...... :D :D :D
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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by jjptkd » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:09 pm

I can certainly get away with no sub with my Klipsch KLF-30s. They have that punchy bass that does kick you in the chest and are fully capable of rattling things in my house but I have to turn them up pretty loud to achieve that. With a subwoofer, I can get the full effect while my mains barely run off idle. If nothing else, it gives you a little more flexiblity in your system and will most certainly cause less strain on both your amplifier and speakers. Of course, not all subs are created equal and usually you have to drop some serious coin when trying to match up with the carvers and high end klipsch mains.
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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by mbskeam » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:11 pm

what I want too FEEL....
think club style bass......
kinda like what James had at cf last year....... \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ :D :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol:
now that was fun.....mind you not all the time, only when I want things to get outa hand..... :-$ :-$ :-$
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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by TNRabbit » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:54 am

F1nut wrote:I have to disagree that a sub is needed with big speakers. It's all in the design. The Amazings use an open baffle design and therefore the bass is quite different than that of a sealed or ported design. You are not going to get that hard, in your chest thumpin bass from them. Additionally, really deep bass isn't heard, it's felt, but not that thumping stuff either. Deep bass rumbles and shakes things. My speakers, which have rubber surrounds, have no problem producing that deep bass, no sub needed.
Jesse, I don't know that I've ever heard WHAT your main system speakers are...?
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Sub: Klipsch RT-12d
Center: Sunfire CRS-3c
Surround: Sunfire CRS-3 (x 2)

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Re: 12" surround alternitive project

Post by F1nut » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:41 am

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