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Crossovers

Post by rolereversal » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:30 pm

So... can I buy crossovers made up for the AL silvers..or would I have to send ours away to get them rebuilt?
I'D HATE TO BE WITHOUT MUSIC FOR A WHILE!!!!
Not sure if or when I would want to do that but just seems to me when we re-wired and replaced the speakers and binding posts the only weak spot left was the crossovers? They really look like they were built out of left over parts put together on peg board? :lol:
They sound okay as far as I know..but, maybe there is room for improvement?

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Re: Crossovers

Post by OBI56 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:24 pm

rolereversal wrote:So... can I buy crossovers made up for the AL silvers..or would I have to send ours away to get them rebuilt?
I'D HATE TO BE WITHOUT MUSIC FOR A WHILE!!!!
Not sure if or when I would want to do that but just seems to me when we re-wired and replaced the speakers and binding posts the only weak spot left was the crossovers? They really look like they were built out of left over parts put together on peg board? :lol:
They sound okay as far as I know..but, maybe there is room for improvement?
They look that way cause they were probably built that way Jean!!! I've never seen a picture of an elegant looking crossover on an Amazing; they all seem to have that homebuilt look to them. Maybe contact DaveS to see if he has any spares available.
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Re: Crossovers

Post by gdb » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:48 pm

Dear RR, I don't know spit about Carver or any other crossovers but...the Polk people re-do theirs all the time, and supposedly it's a breeze for anyone who can read the diagrams and solder fairly well ! Sonicaps and Mills are the two big brands favored by the "Polkies" There are more than a few "Carverites" over there too, so you might get some first class guidance over there as to which way to proceed.Good luck!! Geoff :) Here's a little light reading for ya
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Re: Crossovers

Post by F1nut » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:34 pm

You cannot buy made up crossovers for the Amazing's. You can rebulid the original ones. However, one issue involves replacing the resistors as they have wattage values much greater than Mills or Mundorf sell, which pretty much leaves the caps. The caps used by Carver are crap, so replacing them with film/foil types will improve the sound.
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Re: Crossovers

Post by rolereversal » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:41 pm

Thanks I see we have another little project over the holidays then..caps we can do.... :D

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Re: Crossovers

Post by maddmaxxx » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:45 am

-mz RR; the only caps ive seen avail for sil/ plats are mediocre ones from ...

-parts x-press [and just a few at that]

-let me know if a decent brand exists since oddball caps are on all ALS's, bigtime :(

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Post by F1nut » Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:01 am

Max, give me the uF values needed.
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Re: Crossovers

Post by skip » Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:35 am

F1,
For Plats the caps are as follows:
1~ 450uf150vnp
1~ 150uf100vnd but should be 150-200v to keep them from cooking (I've smoked 2)
2~ 10uf100v

Let me know too if you know of any quality caps available in these specs please.
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Re: Crossovers

Post by maddmaxxx » Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:56 pm

-silver [mk4]

-125uf 100v [non-polarized]

-175uf 150v [np]


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Re: Crossovers

Post by F1nut » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:53 am

I'm working on it guys.

Those really are some damn big ass values......I'd forgotten.
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Re: Crossovers

Post by BillD » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:01 pm

That's why they were using non-polar electrolytics rather than poly caps. Someone really needs to invent a way to make big valued poly caps.
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Re: Crossovers

Post by F1nut » Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:12 pm

It appears that for the large values needed that Solen caps are going to be the only choice. For the 450uF's you're still going to have to parallel a few to achieve that value. For the 10uF's, there's a lot to choose from.

Without looking at the schematics, I'll presume that the large values are for the low pass, which isn't as critical, so the Solen's will still be a vast improvement over the stock ones.
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Re: Crossovers

Post by rolereversal » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:46 pm

Thanks again guys, I am going to look into this as well and find out what feedback I get from the techs around here as well as suppliers. Just wish I knew more about electronics so I really understood how these things work... :lol:

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