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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:32 am

Finished my ribbons!

Here they are, I cross them at 200hz, 12db slope.
They sound incredible!
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:36 am

Re: Finished my ribbons!

Wow..Very impresive...!!!
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:54 am

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Very impressive indeed odd fellow! What ribbons are you using and what are you using for the low end? What kind of wood and finish is that?
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:57 am

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COOL~ =D> =D> =D>
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:48 am

Re: Finished my ribbons!

They look great-- glad you're impressed with the sound, too! And yes, what woofers are you using?

Kudos to you!
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:11 am

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OBI56 wrote:Very impressive indeed odd fellow! What ribbons are you using and what are you using for the low end? What kind of wood and finish is that?



Looks like pine with an ebony stain...

Very nice design on those speakers! Are you using a subwoofer with them? What sort of sub are you ysing with that setup?
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:48 pm

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Dreamer wrote:
OBI56 wrote:Very impressive indeed odd fellow! What ribbons are you using and what are you using for the low end? What kind of wood and finish is that?



Looks like pine with an ebony stain...

Very nice design on those speakers! Are you using a subwoofer with them? What sort of sub are you ysing with that setup?

Thank You all!:D

You nailed it.
Cheapest lumber at Home Depot with minwax ebony.
I was looking at exotic wood til I saw the prices and figured I would try this.
It cost next to nothing and it looks great (IMO).
I am using my JBL Decade bookshelf speakers MFD 1968 for bass.
They sound great and play quite low.
There are 10" 8ohm fosgate punch subs in them right now...

The ribbons are custom cut aluminum foil +packaging tape, .70" wide.
Corrugated with a fiskars unit purchased at a craft store.
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:54 pm

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odd fellow wrote:
Dreamer wrote:
OBI56 wrote:Very impressive indeed odd fellow! What ribbons are you using and what are you using for the low end? What kind of wood and finish is that?



Looks like pine with an ebony stain...

Very nice design on those speakers! Are you using a subwoofer with them? What sort of sub are you ysing with that setup?

Thank You all!:D

You nailed it.
Cheapest lumber at Home Depot with minwax ebony.
I was looking at exotic wood til I saw the prices and figured I would try this.
It cost next to nothing and it looks great (IMO).
I am using my JBL Decade bookshelf speakers MFD 1968 for bass.
They sound great and play quite low.
There are 10" 8ohm fosgate punch subs in them right now...

The ribbons are custom cut aluminum foil +packaging tape, .70" wide.
Corrugated with a fiskars unit purchased at a craft store.

Did you make the ribbons your self.....?...with the foil...?
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:39 pm

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WOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

DUDE !!!! GO GET AN OHM METER BEFORE YOU BLOW YOUR AMP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aluminum foil is WAY TOO THICK to use for a trace... I see you have alot of traces, that'a good. But make sure your trace is reading at least 3-4 ohms. I see you have a TFM amp, not sure which one, but I have fried many-a-Carver-amps with too low of impedance.

I didn't say anything at 1st, I asumed it was some OEM ribbon from somewhere.

Just be carefull.

PS, post a pic of the back of the speaker, I wanna see what you did for the ribbon design.
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:02 pm

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Yeah, more questions. What are you using for magnets?
It should sound like it isn't there!
There is a difference between hearing and listening...
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:14 pm

Re: Finished my ribbons!

and I'm curious to know how the packing tape sounds as a membrane.
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:24 pm

Re: Finished my ribbons!

Toy Maker wrote:WOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

DUDE !!!! GO GET AN OHM METER BEFORE YOU BLOW YOUR AMP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aluminum foil is WAY TOO THICK to use for a trace... I see you have alot of traces, that'a good. But make sure your trace is reading at least 3-4 ohms. I see you have a TFM amp, not sure which one, but I have fried many-a-Carver-amps with too low of impedance.

I didn't say anything at 1st, I asumed it was some OEM ribbon from somewhere.

Just be carefull.

PS, post a pic of the back of the speaker, I wanna see what you did for the ribbon design.


Aluminum foil varies in thickness and can be manipulated electrically in many ways.
4 traces at an ohm a piece wired in series and current going in same direction thru all 4.
DC impedance is 4.2 ohms.
The foil is target brand about 4 or 5x thicker than the .5um foil I have harvested from capacitors.
The amp is a carver design, but its actually an audiosource amp seven T MFD by Phoenix Gold.
It is a Tripath amp that's 2 ohm stable.
TEN watts is more than can be tolerated by my ear from these ribbons with this amp so its got plenty of staying power under variant loads I think.
I paid $125 for it so if it blows up (not likely) I'll build a better one myself.

My take on foil for diaphragms is:
I tried a foil from .22uf cap and it was a SMIDGE clearer up top, but sounded like a trash bag in the wind when lower sounds were cranked.
There is no significant difference in sound to me between the two types of ribbons that a small adjustment to the EQ could not fix.

Pros to lighter foil were higher treble response and (maybe) some more clarity.
Cons to lighter ribbon are higher x-over point, and like 8x the power consumption because of having magnet wire to match impedance.

Pros to 4 piece foil ribbon stuck to packaging tape are SUPERIOR durability and they play lower without audible distortion. Loud too.
Cons are extension into higher range somewhat hampered, and (maybe) less clear, but not enough for me to try to keep .5 um foil in one piece on these things! Those are delicate, to say the least...
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magnets are neodymium N45 BTW...
Please feel free to ask questions or share opinions, I am learning all the time!

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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:59 pm

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I'd like to hear them... you in FL by chance ?
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:40 pm

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Portland OR.
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:48 pm

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Figures :roll:
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