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Tilt?

Post by Gordon » Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:27 pm

OK, here goes my first two newb questions. I've spent the day reading over threads and did not see this mentioned. It appears to me that the speaks are normally tilted back several degrees. Is there a recommendation one way or the other to leave them tilted back or bring them closer to a vertical position?

Secondly, are the crossovers removable to aid in shipping/transport?

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Re: Tilt?

Post by thuffman03 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:41 pm

If you are talking about the Amazing speakers yes they have a slight tilt in them. Not sure but I do think that the cross overs are removable but I am not sure how that would help in shipping.
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Re: Tilt?

Post by BillD » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:14 pm

AL-IIIs have no tilt that I can discern. All the other Amazings have some, IIRC. Many members tilt them more forward for better imaging, but be careful they don't fall on their face.
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Re: Tilt?

Post by Toy Maker » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:32 pm

Yes, ALL the the Carver ribbon speaker have "some" backward tilt.
It helps raise the soundstage off the floor. I built my custom speakers with 0 tilt,
and Bob and I played around, and found that about the thickness of 1 DVD case sounds best.
I'd say you are looking 3-5 degrees of backward tilt is about right. Play around with it, and you will notice a change.

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Re: Tilt?

Post by Reese » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:35 pm

AsI recall, the Amazing Loudspeakers manual says to tape a string with weight off the top rear edge of the speaker frame and adjust the screw/foot adjustable thingies up or down in the flat base support of the speakers so that the string at the bottom hangs at a point approximately 7" from the back edge of the speaker panel - this was the Carver suggested tilt angle for proper delay of high and low frequency delivery to the listening area. (and as ToyMaker says, to raise the sound off the floor - that makes sense, too)
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Re: Tilt of Amazings

Post by treitz3 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:48 pm

I have a bit of a different opinion. I would suggest tilting them toward the listening position. I / we have tried this at audio get-togethers and it was approved from many. YMMV. Point the speakers toward the normal listening position as if it were a normal tweeter.

Same positioning for everything else and this will require some special hardware but the end result can be "Amazing".
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Re: Tilt?

Post by BillD » Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:33 pm

Tom, if it didn't come through, that's what I was trying to say.
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Re: Tilt?

Post by TNRabbit » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:11 am

Toy Maker wrote:Yes, ALL the the Carver ribbon speaker have "some" backward tilt.
It helps raise the soundstage off the floor. I built my custom speakers with 0 tilt,
and Bob and I played around, and found that about the thickness of 1 DVD case sounds best.
I'd say you are looking 3-5 degrees of backward tilt is about right. Play around with it, and you will notice a change.
It depends entirely on your listening position height. Play around with it to see what's best for your position/room.
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Re: Tilt?

Post by Rainman » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:45 am

TNRabbit wrote:It depends entirely on your listening position height. Play around with it to see what's best for your position/room.

Rabbit, don't forget to add what your floor is made from and may or may not have for a floor covering..... :D

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Re: Tilt?

Post by TNRabbit » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:45 am

Gordon, you need to read "Get Better Sound"....Jag_97470's is passing it around to some forum member's now but you missed out on the deadline...there SO much more to it than tilting your speakers:

viewtopic.php?f=131&t=7639&hilit=book
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Re: Tilt?

Post by Gordon » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:53 am

I purchased a copy of this book about 4-5 months ago and consider it a must have next to the sweet spot or the porceline throne, depending on where one does their best reading!

I've used several of the tips from that book and some had a big, minor or no impact on my system. The best result for me was moving the rack away from between the speakers and to a side wall. Unfortunately, after about a week of this superior audio set up, the room was functionally unuseable for anything but listening to music. Since it is also the living room, the rack had to go back in the middle with the resultant decline of/in presentation.

It's all good, some are just better than others and can I live with it until the next house gives me my own room!

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Re: Tilt?

Post by BillD » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:19 am

Tell me. Sometimes aesthetics need to play a role in the trade-offs we make. Otherwise, someone in our lives can make life unbearable.
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Re: Tilt?

Post by skip » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:43 pm

True dat Bill. It's the ONLY reason I parted with my AL-III's.
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Re: Tilt?

Post by BillD » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:18 pm

Skip, I threatened mine with Plats, so we settled on AL-IIIs (and shoes and a handbag).
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