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Post Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:28 pm

tfm35 with als111

Just pickrd up a tfm35 .I have a choice between using this or using two tfm24's on my als111.Any opinoins?
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Post Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:14 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

might be better to use 2- 24's
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:34 am

Re: tfm35 with als111

mewisemagic wrote:might be better to use 2- 24's


I agree. Bi amp.
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:17 am

Re: tfm35 with als111

Use the two 25's for sure.
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:37 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

Or you could bi-amp with 1 of the 24's on the woofers & the 35 on the ribbons couldn't you?


Just a thought.
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:45 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

Or just use 2 '35s. That's less than I use into my AL-IIIs.
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:15 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

Try both; whichever sounds better go with that. Also, if alsIII's much less than 8 ohms impediance then bridging the two 24's probably not the way to go. Or were you bi-amping them?
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:34 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

elgrau wrote:Try both; whichever sounds better go with that. Also, if alsIII's much less than 8 ohms impediance then bridging the two 24's probably not the way to go. Or were you bi-amping them?

One 24 would go to the ribbons and the other 24 to the woofers......
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:41 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

If you have identical amps, I'm in favor of vertical bi-amping, with one amp on each speaker (one channel on the ribbons and one on the bass). This way, the amp can share power between channels, and it's unlikely that there will be a lot of treble content at the same time there is a lot of bass. However, usually high bass content shows up in both L & R channels at the same time.
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:13 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

Good call BillD but he only has 1 TFM35. He could use 1 TFM 24 (alone) for each channel of woofers & the TFM 35 for the ribbons.

I'm assuming the ribbons need more power than the woofers from everything I've read (my instinct would be the opposite with the bass drawing more power).

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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:31 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

Bass just uses more juice (the area under a 40 Hz sine wave versus a 10kHz sine wave) But, the wider frequency a driver covers (like a ribbon going from 150 Hz ->), coupled with their inefficiency, you might be right. Aside from my M-400s, I've never had two amps that were the same. Even my M-400s are like the black and white Scotties (one black, one champagne), so I've never tried vertical bi-amping with two separate amps. I have four channels of a Sunfire 400 ~ seven bi-amping my AL-IIIs.
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Post Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:18 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

One day I'll post a plot of dissapated power vs frequency (at constant SPL). I suspect it will show ~90% of power goes to frequencies below ~1k Hz.
Family room: 400 disk changer with PS Audio Digital Link III DAC; Technics SL-1100A TT. QED Quenx1 IC's from DAC & TT to Adcom GTP-602 preamp/Tuner. AudioQuest King Cobra IC's from preamp to M1.0t mk-II opt2. QED Silver Spirals 4M wires to EPI 1000’s.
Living room: AudioQuest Black Mamba 8M IC's from family room preamp to Barcus-Berry 2002R Sonic Maximizer to GlowPower Zyxt IC's to Sunfire 300x2 to Nordost 6M bi-source wires to AOS 28" MDF spherical speakers using six 8" woofers and eight 1" dome tweeters symm. arranged around the surface.
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Post Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:44 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

I'll go with the two tfm 24's and put the tfm35 on my polk 3.1 tl's.I also picked up a ct7 pre amp.Does anyone know where I can get a manual for it?

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Post Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:06 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

elgrau wrote:One day I'll post a plot of dissapated power vs frequency (at constant SPL). I suspect it will show ~90% of power goes to frequencies below ~1k Hz.


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Post Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:47 pm

Re: tfm35 with als111

That's assuming an equal load, Rich. Personally, I'd put the heftier amp on the ribbons...they are pretty goddamn hungry...
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