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"Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

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Magnaryder

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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:01 pm

Re: "Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

Mr. M-500t wrote:
BillD wrote:But Jesse wants you to prove you can't hear the difference! :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: *5*

Sorry guys,
I'm just getting caught up on this thread !
That was a good one BillD !


I wonder if Bob asked them that during the Stereophile challenge? <<then>>Oh BTW' now that I've proven you wrong can you prove you can't hear it?

Well golden ears are you up to it? BigDog PCs are waiting...

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Oh, I'm ready.

I'm ready, willing and able. Bring it.

No excuses this year. :-"
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:01 am

Re: "Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

Toy Maker wrote:Oooo It's on this year !!!

I just downloaded and installed "Exact Audio Copy" and this program kicks ass !!!
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/


Toy Maker, you should remember the E.A.C. program has already been discussed and covered many moons ago... and it is a program that works quite well but, it's still a bandaid for a problem that has no cure as of yet...
Here is a cut and paste from a previous post
"There is no such thing as no loss when pulling audio from an audio cd. This is because the cd audio format has 2 major design issues that make it difficult to obtain an accurate copy in the form of a standard digital file. First the system is designed to provide audio in real time to eliminate gaps in playback. Because of this it does not provide a reliable stream of information from the disc to the computer. The other factor is the cd format has coding built into it that is designed to cover up and play across errors that can't be corrected like major scratches on the discs. This means the data read from a cd may not be a true reproduction of the original."
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:04 am

Re: "Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

Rainman wrote:
Toy Maker wrote:Oooo It's on this year !!!

I just downloaded and installed "Exact Audio Copy" and this program kicks ass !!!
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/


Toy Maker, you should remember the E.A.C. program has already been discussed and covered many moons ago... and it is a program that works quite well but, it's still a bandaid for a problem that has no cure as of yet...
Here is a cut and paste from a previous post
"There is no such thing as no loss when pulling audio from an audio cd. This is because the cd audio format has 2 major design issues that make it difficult to obtain an accurate copy in the form of a standard digital file. First the system is designed to provide audio in real time to eliminate gaps in playback. Because of this it does not provide a reliable stream of information from the disc to the computer. The other factor is the cd format has coding built into it that is designed to cover up and play across errors that can't be corrected like major scratches on the discs. This means the data read from a cd may not be a true reproduction of the original."



If this is true... than the CD itself has a good chance of being a very poor reproduction of the CD itself !!!
If the CD player is designed to "fix errors" than the output is a "modified" reproduction of the original mastering.. EVERY time it is played ](*,)

It also seems it is assumed that every CD we are going to be using is full of scratches, and can't be copied correctly.
What if we are using a brand new CD, never opened?

I am still putting my $$ of the fact no one will be able to tell the difference once it is set up correctly.
I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt, that there very well may be a .01% or .001% difference between the CD and the ripped file, but I also doubt anyone will be able to hear it. and THAT is the test.

PS... quit posting in blue. It's impossible to see on the dark background now 8-[
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:28 am

Re: "Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

I always rip my CDs fresh out of the wrapper and then listen to them off the CD. Typically, those are the only two times my CDs are played.
It should sound like it isn't there!
There is a difference between hearing and listening...
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:19 pm

Re: "Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

Being a poor boy, I seldom buy a new one. :-|
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:21 pm

Re: "Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

I find that buying CDs (or SACDs or DVD-As) sates my buying desires so I don't do something stupid like bid on one of Bob's tube amps.
It should sound like it isn't there!
There is a difference between hearing and listening...
Making life enjoyable through expensive electronics.
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:24 pm

Re: "Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

Man... I haven't "bought" a CD in 10+ years.... :-"
I also just found out that our local library has a TON of CD's and DVD's you can check out for FREE.. and they have damn near every genre of music.
I grabbed a couple Saturday just to listen to them to see what they were. Usually, I pull up YouTube and check out music, to see if I like it 1st.
A lady in front of me was walking out with 50+ DVD's in a huge tote bag. She said you can take as many as you want, with no fees if you bring them back in 1 week :shock:
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:49 pm

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BillD wrote:I find that buying CDs (or SACDs or DVD-As) sates my buying desires so I don't do something stupid like bid on one of Bob's tube amps.



That is funny. I did upgrade my TT this week for a new/used one. :rolleyes:
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:54 pm

Re: "Lossless" duplicating. Is it for real? Seriously....?

Toy Maker wrote:Man... I haven't "bought" a CD in 10+ years.... :-"
I also just found out that our local library has a TON of CD's and DVD's you can check out for FREE.. and they have damn near every genre of music.
I grabbed a couple Saturday just to listen to them to see what they were. Usually, I pull up YouTube and check out music, to see if I like it 1st.
A lady in front of me was walking out with 50+ DVD's in a huge tote bag. She said you can take as many as you want, with no fees if you bring them back in 1 week :shock:



Yea, my wife is a member of the Oconee and Anderson library. She goes every week getting audio books for her and her Pop.
I go on line and reserve a few CDs and she brings them home. I have gotten a few good ones.

As to DVD, we both have a NetFlix account. I just stick them in the computer and watch when I get around to it, mostly late at night.
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