Home Theater Pre/Pros

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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by PDR » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:43 pm

My post wasnt clear.....I also let the player decode, although I dont think the
Denon 2930ci is the same machine the oppo is, it is not what I use for my 2ch listening.

If your using yours for both, I would assume your speakers would be of more
importance than the latest decoding. If your speakers are that good, then
a good pre and amp would be where i would put my money first.

I know my Sunfire 5400 and TG-5 are suppose to be inferior products
built "overseas" but I have run them flawlessly for a few yrs now. They
sound as good as the day I bought them......and I have used them for
thousands of hrs of HT and music ......still waiting for the "crap" to show up.

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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by jjptkd » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:15 pm

PDR, have you tried a TGP-III or IV? I'm not trying to "rag" on your gear but I had the TGP-5 for awhile and although it was very "clean" sounding, it just didn't have the soundstage that the previous 2 models have. It may have just been the one I was using but I had it gone through by Bill so I know it was working properly. I don't want to say that it sounded bad, just a little less dynamic, kind of like the Sunfire Receivers. I had a TGA-5200 as well and I couldn't tell it apart from my Series II Cinema Grand, very nice amplifier.
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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by PDR » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:25 pm

No.....but as I said I did have a B&K ref 50....it was nice.

Wouldnt the soundstage be more a product of the DAC/Source?
Like I said, I dont use the DAC in the TG-5.
If Sacd or dvd its the DAC in the Denon,
If 2 ch its the DAC in my Raysonic 128.

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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by vigotone » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:30 pm

Anyone ever pair a Marantz or Integra Pre/Pro with a Sunfire Amp? Or am I in the wrong place for that... :-"

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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by jjptkd » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:32 pm

Honestly, I'm no expert on the finer details, I'm still learning. ](*,) My comparisons were in my system though, with nothing else changed. I guess it could have been the DACs I was hearing. :-k
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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by helicopterpilotdoug » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:21 am

I have the TG IV and hook up my OPPO BDP 83se to it by way of 8 channel, as well as 2 channel analog. The 8 ch. is decoded inside the OPPO, so you get all the info from the bluray/SACD to your speakers. The 2 ch. is to die for!! I tend to listen to my favorite CD's on the OPPO anymore, since the sound seems to be far superior to my Sony player. There is a separate, and superior DAC for stereo, so I advise anyone who has one to hook it up like that. The TV is run directly with HDMI from the OPPO. When I'm watching the Sat. receiver I'm playing audio to the TG IV with digital cable, and video/audio to the TV by HDMI. Whatever direction you decide to go, hopefully you will end up with a system you feel is great!!
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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by vigotone » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:26 am

I'm confused... If you use the DAC in the source component, then what is the Pre/Pro actually doing for the sound? It seems at that point it's merely acting as a switcher. Am I wrong?

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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by BillD » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:01 am

Well, I use mine as a preamp! Seriously, I use the internal DACs in the Sunfire TGP-III to decode digital out of my computer and my Squeezebox and my Cable Box. But anything that has to do with DVDs, I let the Oppo do the work, in that its DACs are better than the Sunfire and it can decode all the codecs you find on DVDs, including DTS HD-master audio and Dolby True-HD, which are lossless. But I let standard PCM digital pass from the Oppo to the Sunfire digitally (like playing a CD). However, the Sunfire is at a loss with DSD (SACD), so that gets decoded on the Oppo and sent analog. And, like a Carver preamp, there's phono inputs and Sonic Holography!
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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by OconeeOrange » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:05 pm

As to music - my DAC is a fairly transparent pre and I do not need more things to confuse the system. By that I mean it does have a volume knob.

As to coloring the music, some preamps add this or that that people prefer or hate.
I don't need it as my computer can adjust the tunes to whatever you prefer.

It is kinda like the test that Bob did, but much easier these days.
Instead of changing things in the system, have a big moving line I can alter where ever with a pull on the mouse. It it easy and endless.
Also with one click I can bypass it all and just hear the tune relatively unaltered as to what most hear in their system.

These days most of the music we play has computer interaction. Why not just set up a good one -??

You can do it for the cost of a medium priced cable -- :lol: :lol:

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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by helicopterpilotdoug » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:51 am

vigotone wrote:I'm confused... If you use the DAC in the source component, then what is the Pre/Pro actually doing for the sound? It seems at that point it's merely acting as a switcher. Am I wrong?
The DAC's in the OPPO are newer, and superior to the TG IV DAC, so in the case of the Oppo, yes, the TG IV is just acting like a switcher. As a matter of fact, if I remember correctly, (someone correct me if I'm wrong), the 8 channel is just a pass through, and nothing can be done to the output when 8 channel is selected on the TG IV.
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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by TNRabbit » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:59 am

Doug, you can adjust the speaker levels, that's all.
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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by Toy Maker » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:04 am

Years ago I stopped trying to use the receiver as an A/V switch...
I run everything direct to the tv, and then run a set of audio cables from the tvs output to the receiver.
The TV is the switch. Then you can also watch basic tv without havig the have the receiver on all the time.
When you want to watch a movie or something, just hit mute on the tv, and turn the receiver on.
Works perfectly. And i use a Sunfire Ultimate Receiver1

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Re: Home Theater Pre/Pros

Post by OconeeOrange » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:10 pm

Toy Maker wrote:Years ago I stopped trying to use the receiver as an A/V switch...
I run everything direct to the tv, and then run a set of audio cables from the tvs output to the receiver.
The TV is the switch. Then you can also watch basic tv without havig the have the receiver on all the time.
When you want to watch a movie or something, just hit mute on the tv, and turn the receiver on.
Works perfectly. And i use a Sunfire Ultimate Receiver1
Also, if you do that, you can use the poor ass speakers in the TV as a center channel. I don't but one could.

I find all the sound from my great POLK speakers too much for FOX NEWS. With a hit on the remote, other shows come alive in great detail. The signal also ignites the Carver amp which is not needed as my Bride watches endless cooking shows.

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