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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by BillD » Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:07 pm

Actually, if it's the same as mine, it has a DVI input (no sound). I have a DVI to HDMI converter.. Mine is the original KV-34XBR800 (circa 2002 - Serial # 9008064)
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by mikekohut » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:33 pm

This is the TGR-3:

http://www.sunfire.com/TGR3.htm

Not to be confused with the most recent TGR-401:

http://www.sunfire.com/TGR401.htm

I believe the TGR-3 RECEIVER was made during the same year that the TGP-5 PRO/PRE was made as these two units share the same software updates.
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by BillD » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:05 pm

As I understand it the TGR-3 is a TGP-5 with a TGA7200 in it.
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by mikekohut » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:46 pm

BillD wrote:As I understand it the TGR-3 is a TGP-5 with a TGA7200 in it.
And so it begs the question... does the TGR-3 sound any different than the TGR-5/TGA7200 combo? Honestly, it is hard to imagine there'd be much difference and all the reason to think the receiver would be preferrable in all instances except upgradeability...?
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by TNRabbit » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:16 pm

mikekohut wrote:
BillD wrote:As I understand it the TGR-3 is a TGP-5 with a TGA7200 in it.
And so it begs the question... does the TGR-3 sound any different than the TGR-5/TGA7200 combo? Honestly, it is hard to imagine there'd be much difference and all the reason to think the receiver would be preferrable in all instances except upgradeability...?

For sure, there have to be some shortcuts to put all that into one chassis. You have a lot more options available on the back in the combo-vs-receiver. I don't know what shortcuts they take to fit it all in, but I'm thinking there has to be a few....
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by mikekohut » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:32 pm

Point well-taken... I would love to see the back of the pre/pro vs. the back of the receiver to see diffs.
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Post by BillD » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:53 pm

I can think of the biggest drawback of all — the amplifier channels are dedicated to one function — to amplify the particular channel it's connected to internally. Now if they made everything configurable, that would be different. But, for Rabbit and I, who use our rear surround channels to bi-amp our AL-IIIs, a receiver just wouldn't do.
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by mikekohut » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:04 pm

My Bowers & Wilkins are really efficient and that's why I am looking to go the receiver route and re-coup some cash hopefully - no bi-amp needed (tried it and it was wasted on my system, as is my TFM-75). But...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123

Doesn't have a remote, but looks like a deal (see feedback rating).
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by mikekohut » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:54 pm

Don't mean to hold you to anything, but I did find this:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3500
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by BillD » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:59 pm

The one you're looking at (the one on eBay) is a TGP-I, 5.1 only, no digital bass management. Probably a nice processor, but a little dated.
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by mikekohut » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:49 pm

Hey, guys... just thought I'd pass on that I bought that B-stock new-in-box Ultimate Receiver that was on eBay. Actually, the same unit was listed on Audiogon and I offered $1,000 on it at Audiogon and it will be shipped to my door for $1065 - paid via PayPal. And so... I am really curious to see how it does. It is B-stock, but it is in a sealed box and I look forward to opening it up.

Thanks for all the invaluable advice I received on this purchase! The main thing I got from it was.... TO HELL WITH HDMI!!!

Actually, it was easy for me to say this because I have no money to upgrade my DVD player or purchase other components that use HDMI! :)

Thanks, again, guys....
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by TNRabbit » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:46 am

Glad to help~
CONGRATS on your purchase; I think it will be everything you want & more. The first time & hooked up my UR-I to my old Klipsch KLF-10 speakers, it was astounded.
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by mikekohut » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:59 am

Thanks, TNRabbit. Yes, as I said before, I am really hoping I might actually get better sound from the Ultimate than from my current setup of using a Cambridge Audio 540R receiver as a pre/pro in front of my TFM-75 & AV705x. It would just make sense that the preamp in a $5000 receiver would be far better than that in a receiver with an msrp of $749....
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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by BrianT » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:15 pm

mikekohut wrote:Hey, guys... just thought I'd pass on that I bought that B-stock new-in-box Ultimate Receiver that was on eBay. Actually, the same unit was listed on Audiogon and I offered $1,000 on it at Audiogon and it will be shipped to my door for $1065 - paid via PayPal. And so... I am really curious to see how it does. It is B-stock, but it is in a sealed box and I look forward to opening it up.

Thanks for all the invaluable advice I received on this purchase! The main thing I got from it was.... TO HELL WITH HDMI!!!

Actually, it was easy for me to say this because I have no money to upgrade my DVD player or purchase other components that use HDMI! :)

Thanks, again, guys....
Mike,

Congrats on your purchase, I was also looking at that on Audiogon, Then the same night I found a used Ultimate Receiver II and made a deal for $750.00 plus shipping. \:D/
It arrived today, looks great, will not have the time until the weekend to do the switch-out.

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Re: Sunfire Receivers and all that I need to know...

Post by mikekohut » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:34 pm

Brian, how do you like the UR-III? How does it compare to the Vac Tube Control Ctr?
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