bob p wrote:Tell me something -- why is it that you guys are at all surprised that this guy would lie to you, tell you one thing, and then do another?
Not shocked by any means, but a bit surprised. All signals from Rich seemed to point to the conclusion that both forums should return to being one and the same. The move to put things to a vote AFTER agreeing they should merge shows that he man is not thinking clearly IMHO, or that those around him are looking to exert some form of control over there. I don't understand why there is resistance to the idea of reforming the group. It would have significant benefits going forward, not the least of which is that information would be easy to find. The rejection of the idea is being made without even knowing what form the new site would take. As I said in a previous post, I believe the joint announcement was made way too early, as merely issuing a statement without a plan for moving ahead, and maybe even a site mockup that could be used to gauge reaction, is the equivalent of telling and adversary that you intend to attack someday, but your strategy is still in committee, but you will really be surprised when the battle starts.
I think it safe to say that BOTH sides are tired of the back and forth in-fighting, the suspicious way in which members of the"other site" are viewed, and by the severe over-moderation of one site and the perceived lack thereof on the other. The one thing the boards DO have in common is our love for Carver gear, and our passion for the best audio experience we can have. By joining the sites, we can solve lots of the drama that set us apart from one another in the first place.
There should have been a third option to this vote, and that should be to table the idea of merger for a future date, after seeing how well the inter-forum relationship improves, AND there is a viable outline for a potential new site that can show members what the vision is going forward. I also don't buy the idea that it would be to expensive to copy data over to the new forum. we could put together a few teams of volunteers with temporary mod status to go into the old sites and "mine" useful information from each by the old fashioned method of Copy and Paste. It would take time to do, and working with each other, we could figure out the best way to bring things forward.
I think the biggest thing spooking everybody is the thought of loosing all our data and starting over. My point is that if we all start working together as a team and not trying to do this by ourselves, this would be both a whole lot more attractive of an idea to both groups, but could also be kind of fun. It would also serve as a way to get everybody working together once again.
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, Triangle Art Reference SE prototype, with Walker Precision speed controller and Origin Conqueror tonearm and Dynaudio 20x2, Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds, Oppo BDP-93