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Just got carvered last night

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lukewayne

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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:29 am

Just got carvered last night

Hello all, name's Luke. I just bought my first Carver product last night :) (go ahead cheer) its a TFM-35 it is also my first standalone power amp. Not to say i haven't been wanting one, well,... forever. My dad had a powerful 2 channel amp when i was growing up (technically he bought it before i was born) that had both analog and digital meters, and i have been fascinated by meters on amplifiers.

I was doing some research before purchase and i really liked the vibe around here, i have to say it probably slightly influenced my purchase. That, and the deal i got on this thing :P

Its a CL Purchase from the original owner. i think he wanted to be a dj once upon a time, but then family time hit and this thing sat around alot. (he was also selling some mismatched dj speakers and a mixer/recorder)

I snagged the TFM-35 for $100 :D and the Kenwood KT-880D tuner he auditioned it with for $20
At the audition he had the Kenwood hooked up without an antenna and it still sounded pretty decent even hooked up to his 2 bookshelf and 2 mismatched dj speakers. :-k so generally finding a guy with 4 random speakers hooked up to an amp i'm about to buy, i'd get a little leery about his normal gear practices, but at this price i figured i could afford to get it repaired and still come out ahead if there was something wrong with it. and from the look of the speakers they didn't look like much of a match for the amp anyway.

Did some first chance listening last night and immediately everything was right with the world. super happy. got it opened up tonight to take a look around inside, and snapped some pics so here:

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I think it looks pretty clean inside. there was a small layer of dust, some of which came off with the canned air, some didn't. I really like the layout inside, especially the heatsinks being so far apart, although i figure thats probably common on amps.

All the dials and lights knobs and buttons work :) and also it was made in Japan, not sure if they all were of this model or some here some there, i've read so much in the last week that i'm starting to get things confused.

I'm going to have to look around a bit on the forums, but I'm curious about the [here is where my lack of amp knowledge is going to shine] black and green pieces conected to the heatsinks. they are about half black and half green on each side, is this normal?

I wouldn't say i pushed it, and i definitely didn't have it loud for very long, but it was playing at low volumes most of the evening last night, and the thing didn't even get warm :) cool as a cucumber :)

So, i originally started looking for a standalone amp to improve the clarity of my center channel speaker by either:
A) amplifying my center channel, or
B) amplifying my front speakers thereby relieving some of the load from my receiver and allowing more power to the center. although just last night as i was moving things about trying to make room for the carver, i noticed it says right on the front of my AVR "DISCRETE 7CH AMPLIFIER" so i'm not so sure about this method helping out the clarity of my center channel speaker. thoughts?

so far i've only done stereo listening with the TFM-35 connected to my front speakers which are Polk Monitor 10B's

Tomorrow i'll probably play with hooking the TFM up to my Center which is a Polk CS350LS, i really hate the idea of "wasting" an amplifier channel, but the speaker's recommended power is 10-250W and i think the bridging would be way overkill, but i have no experience so input on this would be great too. i've read that bridging may be less desirable sonically, but not sure the authority of the posts i read that in.

So far besides flat out decisions that i need to make, this amplifier has presented me with two problems, one concrete, and the other, well ... zen.

Problem #1: Size.
This may look like a rack, but its a TV stand. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment, i dont have room for a rack. and frankly...
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It doesn't fit! The faceplate is about 1/2" too big, and this causes the feet to hang over the front of the shelf. causing the amp to sit at an angle and have way less than ideal ventilation. for now i have offset this by propping the front up with two plastic toothpick boxes, being careful not to cover any vents on the bottom. i think with this one i'm just going to have to wait till i move into a house and get real furniture.

Problem #2: Integration.
Every part of my home theater works together in virtual unison. My receiver remote can control pretty much everything connected to it, including my Media PC, turning on the TV turns on the Receiver over HDMI, or pressing play on the Blu-ray Turns on the TV and Receiver, etc. etc. Turning off the TV turns off Everything with one button.

This brings us to the newest addition the TFM-35. My Sony Receiver is a STR-DA5300ES which does NOT have a switched outlet on the back. (not sure i'd want the amp running through the receiver anyway) It does however have a 12v trigger. I wasn't able to get the search function to work last night, lots of server error type stuff, and when it did work it wouldn't search most the categories, i got results like TFM-35 Does not exist on ANY pages. So I'm wondering, do most people just leave amp's like this running? I will definately not be happy with my setup if i have to turn the carver on and off every use, as i use my setup pretty much daily, everything else just plays so well together. If its ok to just leave on, what kind of amperage is it pulling while idle with no signal?

The other solution besides leaving it on would be to find a power conditioner or surge protector that has either a 12v relay on some banks, or a current switching bank that can switch other banks. so far in the bit of research i have done on products like this i've mostly found things which i find to be way overpriced, or sort of dinky looking. maybe somone has a good suggestion? also keep in mind i'm a pretty young guy, living in LA and work here has been.... well pretty slow lately, so i'm looking for a low cost option if possible. also considering i got my 5 speakers and carver amp for <$325 i cant really justify going out and spending an equal amount on a switchable power source.

ok. so if you made it this far.... sorry it was so long. I'm looking forward to being involved in this forum and super happy to be a carver owner now \:D/ :D

also looking forward to any opinions on how to best use this amp in my setup.

Cheers,
Luke
Panasonic TH-50PZ800U; Sony BDP-S350
Sony STR-DA5400ES; Carver TFM-35; TFM-55; a500x
Sony Playstation 3; Custom HTPC
Polk Monitor 10B Front; Polk CS350LS Center;
Polk Monitor 5B rears; Velodyne VA1012XII sub
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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:13 am

Re: Just got carvered last night

Congrats. clean unit.
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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:28 am

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Nice......100.00...???....Cant go wrong with that . I also have an TFM -35...I love it....I had Parasound HCA - 1000,s ( 2 ) before I picked up the 35....The 35 just blew away the 1000,s....Also your caps look real good inside....I wouldnt leave the 35 on all the time , just when in use . I used to be able to turn all my stuff on with the 12v trigger.....Now I Have to turn on almost every thing manually , I dont mind....If you keep collecting carver and maybe Sunfire at some point you will realize that every thing else shrinks.... :shock: ..Ijoy your 35 and look at it this way , The Sony doesnt fit , and the rack has to go . If you check my album pics below you will see my stereo rack ( racks ).....these incorporate nicely and where cheap at wally world ( walmart )
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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:44 am

Re: Just got carvered last night

$100 for a 35 is a steal. Congrats on the buy and welcome to the forum.
Some cool Carver stuff!
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lukewayne

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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:19 am

Re: Just got carvered last night

Thanks for the warm welcome and suggestions guys.

i think something like this:
http://www.ez-mart.net/product_info.php?products_id=8448
is what i am looking for, not bad 46 bucks from a retailer i've never heard of though.

this looks very simple. i'm sure i could put something like this together. i wonder if the parts cost plus time spent would add up to much less than 46 bucks though.
Panasonic TH-50PZ800U; Sony BDP-S350
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Sony Playstation 3; Custom HTPC
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Polk Monitor 5B rears; Velodyne VA1012XII sub
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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:01 pm

Re: Just got carvered last night

Great buy. Inside looks good. Caps look healthy.
It should sound like it isn't there!
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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:08 pm

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WELCOME! Congrats on a very nice amp and it looks very clean. Enjoy it!
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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:19 pm

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Can't go wrong with the 35!!! Congratulations and welcome to the forum! =D> =D> =D>
In reality, it only matters what it sounds like to YOU!!!
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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:56 pm

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Welcome. You got one hell of a deal on that one. =D> =D> =D>
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Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:33 pm

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Welcome to the forum lukewayne! I really enjoyed your story and look forward to more of your post. You sound like a great guy with a sense of humor I found very likable. I will be honest with you being new here, you have no idea what you have done! You purchased a Carver amp! That's where it all starts (OCCD) (Obsessive Carver Collecting Disorder) and it will never end and you will NEVER be satisfied, believe me, but it sure is fun! The TFM-35 is a great amp and Man! did you steal that one! AudioGon has not updated current data on this, but it is still pretty close.

Carver TFM-35 : Used Prices
New $700.00
Used $410.00
$510.00 High
$330.00 Last
$300.00 Low
Jan 01 last 60 of 77 recorded sales Jun 06
Carver TFM-35 released 1992, 250w x 2, with meters, 30 lbs

This is just my opinion, but I would stay away from switching devices or cheap switching devices like you posted. The internal wiring is probably very cheap and will only induce noise in the line everything your system will pick up. I'm with Steve the Sony probably should go if your building a Carver/Sunfire system. Going separates to compliment your TFM-35 would be the cheapest way to go for now. Look for pre-amp like the CT-28/29v to mate with your TFM-35. These are pro-logic. Are you running all 7 channels with your Sony? If you consider replacing the Sony, check out these components that you could build a solid Carver separates system. Pre-amp CT-28v > TFM-35 > TFM-15 amp for surrounds > bridged TFM-6c or bridged TFM-15cb for Center > Sunfire sub or Sunfire Mini subs! (those 9x9x9 mini subs are fricken cool). The Carver Pre-amps or even the Sunfires have the trigger to turn on the amp. I used to be like you, I just want "one button" to turn on everything! Not as easy as it sounds, and I didn't want to induce interference/line noise into my system using a Radio Shack switching power strip! haha. If I was to do this now, I would go with "quality" circuity switching from PS Audio with a power regenerator or maybe something from MonsterPower that is considerably cheaper. I to have a limited budget and have all my gear plugged into a PS Audio Soloist >
http://www.psaudio.com/store/products.p ... he-Soloist
And I am now considering purchasing another to install, having two side by side with dedicated lines to the breaker box. Take a look around on the PS Audio site, maybe there is something there you might find useful >
http://www.audioadvisor.com/products.as ... agodg26pIQ
Can you tell I'm a PS Audio fan? haha. And what do I use not to turn on my system? 4 remotes!! LOL!!! and my amp is on it's own circuit, that yes, I have to turn on/off manually. :lol:
Welcome again to the Forum!! Glad to have you aboard! \:D/
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Post Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:21 am

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WELCOME~
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Post Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:47 am

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Glad you could join us! It will likely not take long for you to gain a ton of knowledge and be able to close out your initial "questions dept."
It is possible that your home theater issues could have a simple solution. Once you get the rest of your gear and hook it up to a great pair of speakers with good cables you might suddenly be looking for all of the boxes for that home theater stuff.. :D

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Post Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:45 am

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Get rid of that oversized piece of junk, I'll give you $110.00 to send it to me. :lol: Just kidding, the 35 is the first "separate" component I ever bought, and I still have it in my system. You got that one for about 1/3 of it's real value, which is great, especially for a beginner on a tight budget !! Welcome !! =D>
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Post Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:28 am

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Great buy. =D>
Welcome to the forum. :D
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lukewayne

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Post Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:25 pm

Re: Just got carvered last night

Thanks for all the welcome's guys, i've never had so many offers from people wanting to take gear off my hands LOL.

i did a few trials and it looks like i am going to have to run the tfm-35 on my center channel to get the desired result i was looking for, i guess the sony amp really is discrete, it just cant push the center like i want it to.

anyway i had a few friends over and we listened to a 5.1 mix of NIN Year Zero, and it blew all of us away.

now my problem is i believe referred to as OCCD.

i want another to put on my mains.
Panasonic TH-50PZ800U; Sony BDP-S350
Sony STR-DA5400ES; Carver TFM-35; TFM-55; a500x
Sony Playstation 3; Custom HTPC
Polk Monitor 10B Front; Polk CS350LS Center;
Polk Monitor 5B rears; Velodyne VA1012XII sub
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