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Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven formats

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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:37 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

And of course whoever is doing the listening will be blidfolded so only their ears can be used to tell what format is playing...right?

Just asking.


Prius boy indeed !!


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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:24 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

stevek wrote:OO,
Cool. How much drive space do you use for 20,000 tunes?

Right now I have my tunes duplicated on two different PC's and on an external 1TB drive that sits on the shelf. A few of my friends have all the same tunes stored in case something should happen at my house, burglary, fire, flood etc. At least one backup copy needs to be off site. WAV's get converted to FLAC for my Sansa Clip+ which I have plugged into the car, loaded with choice tunes.

Right now I'm looking into a NAS (Network-attached storage) setup, specifically the Synology DS411+. Eventually that could/would expand to 12 TB, setup as a mirrored RAID I'll have room for 6TB of tunes. Duplicated on at least one PC an external drive and offsite on a few friends setups.
Steve


It sounds like you are way ahead of me.

NAS type servers have been improving, and sometimes I want one.
On the other hand, for just a home -> "NETwork" or "Homegroup" in Windows 7 is easy to set up and does what I need.

My main computer is in my "computer" room. It has lots of storage and many external storage bays.
I also have a computer by my bed which is the one I use most. It has 2tb and a 4 bay external storage unit.
I have one hooked to the main tv with 4 tb.
I have this one I am using now out on the deck with just a 128 gig solid state drive, and a 1Tb external drive.
I even gave my Bride two 2TB drives as a stocking stuffer as she collects movies.

All my computers talk to each other with the software built into Windows 7.
I can pull up movies, tunes, files, etc from any of them that stream anywhere.
I can backup up one to the other, including operating systems.
What more do I need?

That is about all I need. My satellite internet connection is not good enough to make much use of cloud things, and I am at home most of the time anyway.
I have wireless stuff, but unhooked it all and ran cable everywhere because that works better.

My tunes take up about 375 gig, but I have about 400 gig in music video.
I have an old Acer netbook. I put a 750 gig drive in it to hold my tunes. It makes a good player out on the boat, and I will bring that to Carverfest, and maybe a large monitor.

I want a NAS, but right now, even more, I want a tube phono amp. :-"
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:28 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

Network Attached Storage is fundamentally no different than having a computer with a lot of storage on it that's always on and networked with your other home computers. You need to give sharing to all your drives is all.
It should sound like it isn't there!
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:51 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

BillD wrote:Network Attached Storage is fundamentally no different than having a computer with a lot of storage on it that's always on and networked with your other home computers. You need to give sharing to all your drives is all.


And, you don't have to share all things with all (The Bride) as passwords still work on folders or drives.
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:31 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

Gotta keep her out of the porn folders!
It should sound like it isn't there!
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:39 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

BillD wrote:Gotta keep her out of the porn folders!


I meant the OCCD receipts - :lol:
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:40 pm

As far as blindfolding goes....

Blindfold me all you want. Just do not interrupt the natural hearing process my ears normally hear with.

In the past, everything has been remote controlled behind my back anyway. So unless I magically have eyes behind my back? I can't see shit anyway. It's all been up to the person at the controls. Nobody can dispute that. Not one person.

Coming soon to a thread near you.....more thoughts on lossless reproduction..... :D
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:49 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

So, we hook a real CD and the same lossless file into a good transparent DAC like say my Benchmark. Crank them up, and the knob will flip between the two.

It sounds simple.
Of course, 60% is nothing better than you can get flipping a coin on a lucky day, so I think you need to get up to at least 75%, and even then it would mean you were wrong 25% of the time.

Of course you might go much higher. I am betting on you. We need to get up a pool on it. Good fun !!!
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:52 pm

5 years ago....

Oh boy, I passed that test many moons ago with Dreamer at his pad with a rig I wasn't familiar with in an environment I also was not familiar with. That one was an easy test. Passed that one with some nice Martin Logan speakers.

It's all documented somewhere in the depths of the forum. :wink:
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:57 pm

Re: 5 years ago....

treitz3 wrote:Oh boy, I passed that test many moons ago .....


tom IS THE man --- =D>
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:40 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

I think the burden of proof should be placed on those who think that it all sounds the same rather than those who don't.
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:52 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

F1nut wrote:I think the burden of proof should be placed on those who think that it all sounds the same rather than those who don't.


..sounds like a noble attempt to help Tom chicken out --
Personally, I don't see any coward in Tom.

He can handle the out come either way.
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:01 pm

Honestly?

Quite the opposite, Bill. I actually like what he proposes. It makes more sense to me.

Thanks for pointing that out Jesse. :wink:
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The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to a good analogue reproduction.

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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:11 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

Like many here, I already said I can't hear any difference.

Now that you are clucking out, what do you propose ?

This is your thread.
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Post Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:33 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

I already said I can't hear any difference.


So prove it.
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