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Post Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:23 am

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

Well, I think it would be interesting. A "null" test would show if they were even close!
It should sound like it isn't there!
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Post Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:19 pm

Re: Null test.

Hey, I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it. I'm just saying that there is no measurement for imaging, sound stage and other factors that there simply isn't any measurement for. This is why Bob states that it will get you close but not quite all of the way there. Well, that and if I'm not mistaken, he tuned it by ear beyond the null test as well.
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Post Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:25 pm

Re: Null test.

treitz3 wrote:Hey, I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it. I'm just saying that there is no measurement for imaging, sound stage and other factors that there simply isn't any measurement for. This is why Bob states that it will get you close but not quite all of the way there. Well, that and if I'm not mistaken, he tuned it by ear beyond the null test as well.


IIRC he described it in one of the Q&A sessions in 2008 or 2009.

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Post Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:26 pm

Re: Null test.

Since I wasted the space

Another thing we could do is copy an SACD to a PC and play it back to see if anyone can tell them apart.

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Post Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:42 pm

Not 100% sure about this, but...

Ray, I'm not to sure about this but I don't think you can copy/transfer the SACD layer. It has been my understanding that you would be copying/transferring the CD layer and that you need some really, really expensive machine or whatnot to copy/transfer the SACD layer of the disc.

Magnaryder wrote:IIRC he described it in one of the Q&A sessions in 2008 or 2009.
You are correct. Not sure which year it was though.
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Post Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:46 pm

Re: Cool analogy on lossless/I-pod and computer driven forma

You can't just rip DSD (SACD) directly to computer (legally). You have to go into the analog domain and convert it back - kinda defeating the purpose. I've done it though. It's like ripping an LP after you convert the SACD to analog. Had to do that with a couple of SACDs that weren't hybrid. The one that comes to mind is a John Coltrane's Blue Train
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