How do you find synergy....

[Don]

Double O,

I hear ya. Would love to take the Whisper Xd's also. But, they are not moving from the 2nd story HTR. Dynaco bookshelfs and Marantz 2270 is the best I can do, providing Terri leaves me the space in the car trunk.

Sorry we hijacked this thread!

[kingman]

Found it tonight...right here listening to the AL III's...9 beers and all is right with the world. I can't imagine it sounding much better.....

[Don]

We were wondering where you were when all the trash talkin about Clemson was taking place!

[HRDROKN]

Do you get to a point that the system becomes more revealing, in that the source material can make or break the sound?

[elgrau]

Most assuredly....the quality of your "source" can easily become your system's "weakest link". The rest (of your system) can only amplify and then the speakers can only "broadcast" what it's given....GIGO! "Purely" amplified garbage is still garbage...and the purer and the higher the fidelity of the amplification and speakers, the less your system will act to "filter out" this garbage (which of course you don't want...you naturally want as pure a source as possible and then as high of a fidelity amplification of this pure source as possible.....duh/obviously...as we all of course know here!).

[treitz3]

Do you get to a point that the system becomes more revealing, in that the source material can make or break the sound?

Absolutely, without a doubt and unequivocally. In other words, you have arrived.

Believe it or not, there is more....but enjoy what you have now.......

[Toy Maker]

"How do you find synergy?"...

You guys are fucking retarded.......
On Google Maps of course !!!!
God you guys are dumb...

[treitz3]

Bitch, get me fresh cooked pizza with double sauce and double cheese.

OK, dear.

[Mr. M-500t]

"How do you find synergy?"...

You guys are fucking retarded.......
On Google Maps of course !!!!
God you guys are dumb...

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[ekog]

without dumping a boat load of cash? So do some get lucky and others just keep rotating gear.....

Personally I’ve never been lucky with few exceptions my core stereo gear being one of the few but I had to do a lot of research, studying, and listening and then a lot of scrimping and saving before I bought them. Unlike TMRabbit I didn’t start with the room as I couldn’t change that instead I started with the speakers I looked for speakers that I thought sounded good naturally and produced a stereo image and that could fit in the space I had (ok that part was the room but not what TNRabbit was talking about) Once I was sure I found the speakers I moved on to the Amplifier, at the time I was looking I wasn’t sure if I wanted a receiver or Amp and Pre-Amp I selected the latter as I wanted to have more power that the receivers of the time just didn’t offer. I focused in on the carvers right away as everything else in the store was basically runoff the mill and I wanted better I had the choice between the M500t or the 1.0t I ended up getting the M500t as I thought it fit the power requirements of the speakers better and I thought it sounded better then the 1.0t (admittedly it could have just been the cool meters on the front) at that point I felt I had the core of my system I’ve added and exchanged my sources over the years some failed but mainly they got destroyed in moves or technology just improved to the point I need to move on. This year was the first time I really had any equipment failures in my Core system but its 25 years old and I’ll get it fixed hopefully to use for another 25 years.

[BillD]

I just fix it when it breaks. When I do, I use the most modern components I can find as substitutes for what failed. Modern foundries produce much better discretes and integrateds than they did in the 1980-90 period. If you go through and do a full refurb, you end up with a better component than when it was new.

[elgrau]

Good question (how DO you find synergy?). Recently I've been studying the electrical equivalent circut model of the COMPLETE amp signal/driver/enclosure/accoustic wave electro-mechanical system (presented in "An Electroacoustic Analysis of Transmission Line Loudspeakers" PHD dissertation by R. A. Robinson, Jr. - link posted to "over there" by RichP) and was "dreaming" about how to adapt those equations to a software package that would in essence allow one to analytically produce frequency response curves from different "tweaks" of a basic system (or in my case also use it to determine "optimal" speaker enclosure volumns, driver sizes, and internal speaker damping material packing densities - all of which effect overall system response). This paper also presents experimental ways to determine the key mechanical/electrical properties of the LF drivers used in your system. My thoughts were that one could also obtain (either thru measurement or from company provided spec sheets) the R/C/L parameters of different "high end" speaker wire brands (vs frequency) and it would be a very easy matter to add these circut element parameters vs freq to the overall circut model of one's entire system (starting with an "ideal" input signal vs frequency and then generating the sound pressure level (SPL) vs frequency plot of the loudspeaker and "adjusting" the speaker wires and - if building/designing speakers - also adjusting enclosure volumn, driver size, packing densities, etc. until one obtains the flatest LF frequency response of this overall system). The resulting complex circut model is just solved (in this case for the SPL at the speaker exit plane) by existing "circut solver" software packages with the desired mechanical system quantities analogously represented in the complex circut model as either voltages or currents. Granted, models can't model everything, but they are very good at tracking the DIFFERENCES in system response for each trial configuration and thus determining the "optimal" set of speaker wire "brand" and/or the optimal speaker design. Of course everything "upstream" of this (the source, the IC's, the preamp, the amp) is still "variable" and pretty much a matter of personal preferences, but I believe everything "downstream" of this (i.e., the speaker wires and speakers themselves) should be as "flat" and nuetral as possible with the lowest frequency response possible before the ~3 db drop off of the SPL..... All of this can be optimized based on the aforementioned "design parameters" (including the different R/C/L parameters vs frequency of the various "high end" speaker wires available for one to choose from).

[HRDROKN]

Good question (how DO you find synergy?). Recently I've been studying the electrical equivalent circut model of the COMPLETE amp signal/driver/enclosure/accoustic wave electro-mechanical system (presented in "An Electroacoustic Analysis of Transmission Line Loudspeakers" PHD dissertation by R. A. Robinson, Jr. - link posted to "over there" by RichP) and was "dreaming" about how to adapt those equations to a software package that would in essence allow one to analytically produce frequency response curves from different "tweaks" of a basic system (or in my case also use it to determine "optimal" speaker enclosure volumns, driver sizes, and internal speaker damping material packing densities - all of which effect overall system response). This paper also presents experimental ways to determine the key mechanical/electrical properties of the LF drivers used in your system. My thoughts were that one could also obtain (either thru measurement or from company provided spec sheets) the R/C/L parameters of different "high end" speaker wire brands (vs frequency) and it would be a very easy matter to add these circut element parameters vs freq to the overall circut model of one's entire system (starting with an "ideal" input signal vs frequency and then generating the sound pressure level (SPL) vs frequency plot of the loudspeaker and "adjusting" the speaker wires and - if building/designing speakers - also adjusting enclosure volumn, driver size, packing densities, etc. until one obtains the flatest LF frequency response of this overall system). The resulting complex circut model is just solved (in this case for the SPL at the speaker exit plane) by existing "circut solver" software packages with the desired mechanical system quantities analogously represented in the complex circut model as either voltages or currents. Granted, models can't model everything, but they are very good at tracking the DIFFERENCES in system response for each trial configuration and thus determining the "optimal" set of speaker wire "brand" and/or the optimal speaker design. Of course everything "upstream" of this (the source, the IC's, the preamp, the amp) is still "variable" and pretty much a matter of personal preferences, but I believe everything "downstream" of this (i.e., the speaker wires and speakers themselves) should be as "flat" and nuetral as possible with the lowest frequency response possible before the ~3 db drop off of the SPL..... All of this can be optimized based on the aforementioned "design parameters" (including the different R/C/L parameters vs frequency of the various "high end" speaker wires available for one to choose from).

In the famous words of Double O... you need to find youself a hobby!

[angelod307]

(Or would that be redneck?)

I don't get that at all --

RedNeck is a good thing.

yes, survival of the fitest. agreed. next up, 200mph duct tape. redneck or brilliant minute body work.

[HRDROKN]

yes, survival of the fitest. agreed. next up, 200mph duct tape. redneck or brilliant minute body work.