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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:24 pm

What kind of listener are you?

Just curious to see what listening types we have here on this forum and whether or not you can be honest about what type of listener you may be. You can choose more than one type and you may have moved on from one type of listener to another along your audio journey. These types of listeners are not set in stone, never to change but I think I have listed just about every type of listener I have met in my years of audio. Feel free to add your own type of listener that I may have forgotten and change certain aspects of the types of listeners listed below.


Casual listener - This person typically can listen to anything on any type of reproductive medium anywhere. They could care less about sitting in the listening chair and may or may not even know what an SACD is, nor could they care less. They listen to music as they cook and they could care less about whether the source is from the TV, computer, a rig or I-pod. They just enjoy the music no matter what and they couldn't be happier.

Image freak - This person has obviously furthered their audio journey a bit from just the casual listener. They have discovered somewhere along the road that speakers not only reproduce music but a reproductive quality that has eluded so many of the general public. Once they have discovered that a rig can actually produce something other than the left to right imaging, imaging becomes an obsessive goal that they strive to achieve, even at the expense of other attributes that a rig can bring. The gear they buy must image well or it's out the door quickly to find something else that can distinguish the passages in music he or she considers vital to perfect the imaging of.

This includes but is not limited to spacial locationality cues, the size of the venue, where every single instrument and singer is along with associated reflections within said venue, whether or not you can tell whether said singer is looking left while performing into the microphone or looking right while not even moving on stage. Maybe the singer is walking across the stage as they look left or right but this type of listener demands such detail with complete accuracy as they move across the stage. The image freak wants this in extreme detail with no fluctuations with regards to this type of reproduction. They want to know that the source of the sound within the image is laser pin-pointable on the sound stage. Not only that, it seems that they want to break out the measuring tape and tell you down to the inch how far away the source of the sound is coming from the listening position.

The depth, height, width and spatial location cues are more important to this type of listener than anything else and they will sacrifice some other outstanding attributes from the gear they swap in and out in order to get the perfect image. Yes, sound is important but no where near as important as the image to this type of listener.

Bass head - This is typically a person that is in the beginning of their audio journey but for some folks, the pursuit of bass is the most important part of the reproductive effort and this is where they tend to concentrate no matter where they are along their audio journey. It may stop at dual [or more] subs the size of a small Volkswagen along with room correction devices or even the rotary woofer or two but this is what is most important to this type of listener. The bass and mid bass regions are what they concentrate their efforts on, sometimes disregarding anything else within the reproductive arena.

Detail oriented listener - This type of listener concentrates on the utmost of details. The texture within voices, the impact of a drum strike and the natural decay of said strike. They concentrate on the roll off of chimes or a cymbal. They want to hear the lips smack and they want to hear and seemingly feel the wetness of the singers lips as they perform. They are not happy unless they extract every slide of the hand on a guitar and they yearn to hear as someone walks in on the back of the recording studio and accidentally steps on a pencil breaking it, not even knowing that it would be noticeable in the final cut. This type of listener will go to the extremes to seek out every last ounce of detail out of a recording whether or not it was intended, accidental or otherwise. They just need to hear it no matter what, good or bad.

Omitted listener - This type of listener may have given up on the reproduction of things they either can not reproductively get right or just flat out don't hear. They may consider a floor stander or full range speaker to be sub par to a bookie in terms of the reproductive qualities due to resonance issues, coherent abilities or transparency. Whatever the case may be, they tend to omit things that they deem less than stellar to enjoy what it is they consider audio bliss.

Loudness listener - This type of listener listens to audio reproduction as loud as they possibly can get it. They want the neighbors to know they are listening and they are typically not too concerned with overall reproductive qualities. They listen so loud that their is no hope for any kind of sound stage at all because it collapsed 30 or 40 Db's ago. So long as it's loud and the rig is pounding your chest and the state seismograph's are off the chart, that's all that matters.

Audiophile listener - Simply put, this person is a listener who is enthusiastic about the reproduction of an effect (as sound or an image) that is very faithful to the original sound reproduction.

Empirical listener - This person typically loves everything that measurement may deem great to sub par but due to empirical evidence, believes no matter what they listen to is all that just based upon empirical evidence. Sometimes more. Typically this type of listener has done hours or days of research on a particular upgrade and will yearn to hear all that has been written about said unit. They fail to actually enjoy the upgrade but tend to over evaluate said product to the point of losing track of why they got it in the first place. They tend to believe so much in what other folks are reporting about said product that they actually tend to believe what the expect to hear, regardless of whether they hear what they are expecting to or not. As much as they hate to admit it, they follow the crowd at chow time and never cook a meal for themselves. None the less, they are happy with their sound until experience shows them otherwise.

Music aficionado - Much like the casual listener, the source of the music may or may not matter. Sitting in the listening chair may or may not matter. The reproductive qualities of his rig or the live concert they attend mean little to nothing. What they care about is that they are one with the music. They typically can tell you things folks would never know in three lifetimes. Things like where Mic Fleetwood's hometown was and where he was discovered for the first time, along with what he was eating at the time he was discovered. Typically, this type of listener has more albums or has listened to more albums than folks couldn't catch up too if they tried listening for 14 hours a day for the rest of their lives. They just flat out love music and everything that brings it to them, history and all.

Tone listener - This type of listener usually has a bit of background revolving around music. They can pinpoint if a tone is off from a different room. Very quick to pick up on tonal qualities that are extremely important to them, whereas a vast majority of folks could either care less or just don't know what it is that they are supposed to be picking up on. To them, if the tone of a system is off, it becomes difficult to listen to the bigger picture because they have the hangup of an off tone reproductive quality of a rig that they might consider substandard. This is not to say that they can not enjoy the music but because of the tonal qualities not being up to snuff, it becomes somewhat of a personal struggle to fulfill the enjoyment of the listening experience in its entirety. Whether they admit it or not.

Accuracy listener - This person is extremely fanatic about the accuracy of the reproduction. No additives, no coloration, no distortion whatsoever. Everything about the aspect of reproduction must be as accurate as possible, damned the consequences. Things may not be musical to the point of where folks tap there toes to the music but the reproductive quality is so accurate, quiet and clean that it almost becomes cold or sterile but this provides the best reproductive quality for said person because it's accurate.

Gear head listener - This person has typically had so much gear throughout their audio journey that they forgot what even real music sounds like. They have it in their head that they know what they are looking for and they need more gear than anybody else to find it. This person usually has a list of gear owned, borrowed or auditioned in their rig that would purchase a castle in England but is still not satisfied with what gear they have had. If they had ever stopped to smell the roses with some of the gear they had, they might have discovered through a bit of tweaking that they had what they wanted many times but got so caught up in the latest and greatest that they never listened to the big picture and discovered what they had in the first place many times over. Gear heads are just that. Gear heads. It's a disease that may or may not be cured.

Judgmental listener - This person typically loves their system and typically will not accept criticism of any kind toward their own rig but at the same time, will throw out a multitude of deficiencies when listening to another system. They feel there system is complete and whether it's a money issue preventing them from moving along on their audio journey, a wife that may have restrictions on what this person can or can not do or some other unknown factor...they have basically shut the door to accept any other input while at the same token are more than willing to point out anything they can when listening to another rig that is judgmental. Sometimes they use their own rig as a reference point or maybe they might use a system they have heard in the past that they are using as reference. Regardless, this type of listener is very quick to judge another rig and internally dismiss it as inferior to his or his perceived version of what he considers audio bliss.

Volume listener - This type of listener is usually a well refined listener who wants the reproductive qualities to exactly match the performance. They listen to a concert at concert levels so long as the reproductive qualities match in their listening room what they would typically expect at said concert. They adjust the volume level to precision levels to achieve the perfect level of a string guitar solo, harpist, choir or quartet. Just a little bit too loud will ruin the entire performance for said listener. All reproductive qualities across the spectrum must match as close as possible to what you would expect not as if they were playing in your living room but what would match what would be as if you were there at the venue they were performing at to begin with, the live performance. To this listener, nothing else is acceptable or may be considered sub par regardless of whether or not it is admitted.

Frequency listener - This is a listener that has to absolutely reproduce every single frequency at whatever level they deem appropriate. This could be at normal listening levels or this could be at concert levels. Regardless, every single frequency must be reproduced with the utmost of precision, realism and authority. There can be no attenuation or accentuation of any frequency at the listening position whatsoever. This type of listener becomes obsessed with reproducing the entire spectrum of frequencies, from well beyond the threshold of human hearing at both ends of the extended frequency range to flat lining the entire frequency curve across the spectrum to achieve what to them is audio bliss.

Realistic listener - This person may or may not be completely fulfilled with his or other rigs. He understands that true realistic sonic perfection will not be realized within our lifetime. They understand this, accept this and achieve whatever sonic perfection that reproduced audio can offer them to date, no matter where they are along their audio journey. They realize that there is no way a real drum sitting in the living room where they reside can be perfectly duplicated and they accept that fact. They realize a cymbal or a set of chimes may come close in terms of reproductive qualities. In reality, this listener understands that in this lifetime, it ain't gonna happen. We can come close but the fat lady ain't singing any time in the near future.

Well folks, that's all I have for now. Feel free to add more types of listeners you have met along your own audio journey. That said, What kind of listener would you classify yourself as?
In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:44 pm

Re: What kind of listener are you?

None of these accurately describe my listening habits to a tee but I'd consider myself a mix of "casual" and "loudness" with the exception that I have come to expect a certain level of accuracy and have discovered long ago that there is a point in the volume where the sound begins to "mesh" together and the sound goes to shit so I stay below that point. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I had nothing but my mono alarm clock radio to listen to, it would be playing. :D
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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:14 pm

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Although I have been known to love my music loud - it is not just the loudness, but the music itself.

Explanation: I have very, very good hearing - my kids call it bionic. So unless the music is up loud, I still hear the clock ticking, the water dripping, the kids talking (even who they may be speaking to on the other end of a phone), the cats meowing, the wind blowing, and even those outside chatting it up as they pass my house. When I get the chance to listen - really listen - to my music of choice at that moment - I don't want to hear anything else, except the audio I may be transcribing (yes I still type with the music up loud and those lights bouncing). I don't touch bass, treble - I just touch volume.

I have music on quite a bit and can enjoy it low as well, with the right people. I love the words to the music, the beats, the hums, the everything. If a song does not have great words to go with great music to go with great performer - I don't care what it is - I can't take it.

For example - Luther Vandross really is an aphrodisiac, Meatloaf, Lennox, Collins, and Celine Dion can take my breath away (among others), Zeppelin, Kansas, Journey, Etheridge and others can let me enjoy some really sweet music while driving or working, and others can get me in the mood I want to be in, or out of the mood I want to get out of - or just keep me floating wherever I am at the moment. Trance is great except when buzzed because I feel stuck. And anything I can move to is acceptable.

So, I guess I am a senses kind of listener - I want to feel the beat, hear the lyrics, touch the mood, and taste the freedom of whatever it is I am listening to. Music is better than any drug and can get me higher in an instant. But of course LOUD is always best.
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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:44 pm

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SC wrote:
"Music is better than any drug and can get me higher in an instant. But of course LOUD is always best."

2x! =D>

I like just about all kinds of music.....getting into Country a bit late in life but you just can't beat it for "Americana" (OO recently sent me Dwight Yokum's Christmas CD....pure country and just simply pure beautiful music/country singing). Also leaning more towards Classical music now as it has no "preachy" lyrical messages to muddy the musical landscape (lryrics are great for when you are young(er) and more of an idealistic fool.... :lol: ). That said, I still listen mostly to "classical rock" type music and some selected stuff from the '50s. But yes, detail and absolute purity/clarity (and VOLUMN when needed/desired/required!) of sound can transform music into just a whole nuther experience that just cannot be duplicated any other way or with any "chemical brain concoction". Not sure which category that puts me in....will perhaps read them all when I have the time and try and pigeon hole meself into a couple of them....
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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:51 pm

Re: What kind of listener are you?

Not sure if I fit any single category. I have a Boston Acoustic Horizon Stereo in my office and it plays 9-10 hours every day as backround music. It doesn't do anything that my home rigs do, but I don't expect it to, and it is extremely better than silence or listening to the women in my office gossip or cackle (no offense!). I guess at work and in the car, I'm a "casual listener". As I go thru my audio journey, I've listened critcally, which could be considered a "detail oriented listener" and an "image freak", which was a lot of fun discovering what could actually be reproduced. Now that I'm (relatively) satisfied with my audio systems, I just play and enjoy. (where does this fall?) I'm sure in the future, if I have a little (or a lot) of extra disposable income, I may take a few steps upward in my gear, and I'm hoping to be wowed again, but I'll have to be a "detail oriented listener" again to ensure that it's money well spent.
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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:58 pm

Re: What kind of listener are you?

Allow me to offer to you my type of listening preferences. At times, I am just a casual listener. I listen off axis while I'm cooking or on the computer and I still absolutely love what music I hear. I am an admitted image freak. I tend to enjoy a pin-pointable image with everything from where a singer or instrument is all the way down to the exact point to where the kick drum is in relation to the tom hat. While I have been a bass head in the early part of my audio journey, I can not stand any kind of boom at the bottom. I enjoy my bass with weight and authority but not at the expense of the lower registers masking the other parts of the spectrum.

The detail oriented listener is one that I am definitely guilty of. Every ounce of extractable information that is there, I want to hear it. Good or bad. Even to the point that I want to be able to hear the snap, crackle and pops on an audiophile recording that is off of a digital medium but was recorded off of an LP. I am not an omitted type listener. My listening tastes prefer the full extension of the frequency spectrum. I am also definitely not a loudness listener, while I am guilty of being the volume listener many times, I will not sacrifice quality because I want it louder.

I am not an empirical listener, music aficionado or tone listener. I would love nothing more than to be a music aficionado and I'm getting better at it everyday but I realize that I will never come close to the knowledge of music some of my buddies have. I respect that to no end, along with the tone listener. There are some systems I do not prefer the tone of but to be quite honest, I don't really know what it is I'm looking for with regards to tone. On the other hand, I have met folks that can describe in perfect detail what tones are off in a rig. I'm working on that as well.

With my reference of reproduced music being actual real sound, at times I can be an accurate listener but I stop at a point. My reproduced music must be musical, not overly analytical. I want to have goose bumps and I want to feel as if I am in the venue as it is being recorded. In my experience, with too much accuracy, you lose the unintentional feeling of just having to tap your toe to the music. I have never been a gear head listener, though I have had many, many pieces fly through the door. Things are what they are and to me, cost is not part of the equation. Only the end result as to what hits your ears. That, to me, is what determines whether or not a particular piece stays or goes.

I don't think I will ever be a judgmental listener due to the fact that I probably have more gripes with my rig than some of you have with yours combined. My reference is real sound and anything other than real sound is a compromise to me. I am also a realistic listener. I understand that the technology today can emulate real sound but not be real sound. As for the frequency listener, I have been there. I have done the EQ thing, room correction thing and while it sounded great, other aspects of the reproduction were compromised and that right there is unacceptable to me. So much so that I have zero tone controls or what I laughingly call "knobs of sin" on my current rig. As a result, the sound I have now sounds far superior to me than when I had an almost totally flat frequency curve in the room. Flat isn't really all it's cracked up to be IMO.

So, this is me and my listening preferences.
In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to a good analogue reproduction.

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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:07 pm

Re: What kind of listener are you?

jjptkd wrote:None of these accurately describe my listening habits to a tee but I'd consider myself a mix of "casual" and "loudness" with the exception that I have come to expect a certain level of accuracy and have discovered long ago that there is a point in the volume where the sound begins to "mesh" together and the sound goes to shit so I stay below that point. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I had nothing but my mono alarm clock radio to listen to, it would be playing. :D
I'd say that you most definitely are a volume listener, just based on the above passage. I know all too well that point and like you, always stay below that threshold. Luckily for me, that threshold has increased with the addition of the new IC's I have installed. I can say with complete certainty that my listening enjoyment has grown exponentially just based upon the fact that the available volume levels have increased without having fear of hitting that threshold.
In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to a good analogue reproduction.

Robert R. - "Did you see my North Korea analogy? I should have named it Carversite.kim"
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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:12 pm

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My father always said I never listened very well! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I REALLY enjoy music that sounds REAL, but also just enjoy music. :D
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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:33 pm

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I guess I was what Tom refers to as a Bass Head . I can fall asleep with the couch in my livingroom bouncing under my ass in about 2 minutes flat I dont care how loud it is ass long as the bass content is there. It can be rock or classical written in the minor keys the effect is the same I will say that the Cerwin Vega D-9's are capable of 125 db at full output and I am sure i have exceeded that with the 4 of them in my setup. Then came Carverfest 2011 and my new found Polkaholic addition is full blown. The older polks I am not sure of how the newer ones sound. I like the SDA and Monitor series the vocals on these things are amazing. I now find myself setting the tone controls to a flat or less than flat setting and trying to gauge how the speakers reproduce the recording as it was made. So in essence I think I have developed a split audio personality who knows what new personality will emerge next.
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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:37 pm

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I am a little of everything. And a good bit of imaging, loudness, bass head, and the music afficienado.
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Post Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:13 pm

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The perfect world I would listen to my system all day but since it isn't I'll make do with almost anything. :D
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Post Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:48 pm

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I think you need a new category so I fit into one!
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Post Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:50 pm

Well?

Speak to me. What kind of listener are you?









The answer has to be more than 3 words, Eddie. I know you and this can be hard but I have faith. [-o<
In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to a good analogue reproduction.

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Post Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:13 pm

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I start out as a Realistic listener....then I start drinking and change to a volume freak.. Guess I have a real problem!
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Post Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:16 am

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Last evening I was a HAPPY listenter. Little Wing - SRV - Essential SRV. Very Happy Listener.
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