Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

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Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by tah800 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:47 pm

I bought the TGP-5 to finish my sound system and replace my old 2 channel C1. The TGP-5 is a great processor and is a great addition to my surround but in the 2 channel mode it's not really better soundwise than my old C1. I've done a lot of back and forth and figured the $3500 dollar Sunfire(original retail) would allow me to sell my old C1. I don't think I'll do it. I might even give the C1 the edge. I never thought I'd say that but my ears never lie. I've always maintained that little inexpensive preamp was a great unit. Now I'm even more certain Art

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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by TNRabbit » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:57 pm

Must be one helluva quiet C1...
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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by BillD » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:46 pm

Are you sure you're making a fair comparison. To do so, you need to set your mains to large and your subwoofer to normal (not enhanced bass). This bypasses all the digital frequency processing and bass management, and is only available to analog sources. This makes it just like a C-1. Otherwise, you are putting the TGP at a disadvantage right off the bat, because it converts all incoming signals to digital.
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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by tah800 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:46 pm

My mains are set to large. I'm not using a subwoofer.The Carvers should provide all the bass I need . I wouldn't use a subwoofer in 2 channnel anyway. I set my TGP-5 to direct source which should send the signal direct to the amps without any processing.

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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by kingman » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:00 pm

tah800 wrote:My mains are set to large. I'm not using a subwoofer.The Carvers should provide all the bass I need . I wouldn't use a subwoofer in 2 channnel anyway. I set my TGP-5 to direct source which should send the signal direct to the amps without any processing.
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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by BillD » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:21 pm

Well, if that's how you tested, there you go. Did you test phono?
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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by tah800 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:04 pm

I know the purists will hate me for this but getting rid of my records and having Cd's was one of the best things that ever happened to me.The ony memory of my records was Snap , Crackle and Pop.

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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by BillD » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:35 pm

Well, your preamp is only as good as the source, and to do a true test, you need to run analog to both the C-1 and the Sunfire, so you're testing the CD player, not the preamps, IMHO. No wonder they sound the same.
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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by Jag_97470 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:13 pm

There is an article out in the AARP January/February 2010 Albums are back! Vinyl is making a comeback with record sales! Stores are considering/starting to stock small sections of vinyl now. I enjoyed reading the article and made me happy I still have my some 100 + vinyl albums from my younger days in the 70's, Yeah! Did I say AARP? Dam, giving away my age, haha.

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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by TNRabbit » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:46 pm

tah800 wrote:I know the purists will hate me for this but getting rid of my records and having Cd's was one of the best things that ever happened to me.The ony memory of my records was Snap , Crackle and Pop.

I have to agree with ONE caveat; SACDs have been the best thing that happened to me (next to Sunfire & AL-IIIs).
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Main: HotRodded AL-IIIs
Sub: Klipsch RT-12d
Center: Sunfire CRS-3c
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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by basspig » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:24 am

I'm still waiting for them to bring back 78s! (drum roll, please) :D
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Re: Sunfire Theater Grand V vs my old Carver C1

Post by Jag_97470 » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:24 am

basspig wrote:I'm still waiting for them to bring back 78s! (drum roll, please) :D
And do we hear > The round RCA cylinders playing on the Horn speaker??? Do we Do we!! :lol: :lol: (more drum roll, please) :lol:

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