Dolby digital preamp recommendations, anyone?

What questions in particular did you have about the side-axis channels?

What exactly do they accomplish? and how well do they do it?

When I considered buying a TGIV before I pulled the trigger on the 990, I was hoping to take advantage of the side-axis channels in order to improve the sound-stage at the front of my room when listening to music. I wasn't interested in 9.1 surround per-se. I was already running 7.1 and that's plenty for me as far a movie listening. But I just never heard anyone mention that the side-axis channels made a dramatic difference when listening to music.

By the way, the 990 does an excellent job with stereo material and multi-channel analog sources (SACD, DVD-A), so in the end, I am very happy with my decision and have no regrets.

I didn't find that the side axis did all that much. They are a very light injection from the mains. Like I said, not worth the investment (separate amp & 2 additional speakers) IMHO. 7.1 is PLENTY.

I realy like my TGP ll.

Me Too!

How much for a used TGP II would you think, assuming near flawless condition with all assessories? What would be reasonable and how old are these?

I've seen them go $ 500.00-900.00 and think thay made the TGP ll until 2002 or 2003. This is a solid built preamp and the only thing that you might want is HDMI hookups.The TGP 4-5 have them but with a external box like this your back in business.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_1 ... -2007.html


This lets a lot of people not have to trash what thay have so thay can keep up with whats new.

Here are some cheaper ones, if you are on a budget and don't need 1080p just yet: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=2777&style=&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

Nelson

If those aren't the same damn thing, they sure as hell use the same box.....

I've seen them go $ 500.00-900.00 and think thay made the TGP ll until 2002 or 2003.

Well, then this one is clearly overpriced?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUNFIRE-THEATER-GRA ... dZViewItem

What would *you* pay for it, TFM? Anyone?

Do you all think that the III, IV, or IV are better performance-wise? Or is it just a matter of HDMI and/or other feature upgrades? I think the new IVs are $1900, new?

-gentlemen ; i believe 'outlaw's' , are NON-U.S.A.built,something to think about.....'used',[previosly-owned], don't effect the economy nearly as bad....then who besides a authorized,trained,extremely learned,tech.,can repair this stuff.......sunfire , i have'nt heard a bad word about tg1-4's......10 yrs. from now , i think your safe w/your investment in sunfire......i've no experience w/either?......./mx

I've seen them go $ 500.00-900.00 and think thay made the TGP ll until 2002 or 2003.

Well, then this one is clearly overpriced?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUNFIRE-THEATER-GRA ... dZViewItem

What would *you* pay for it, TFM? Anyone?

Do you all think that the III, IV, or IV are better performance-wise? Or is it just a matter of HDMI and/or other feature upgrades? I think the new IVs are $1900, new?

Well, that IS the architectual model, which will bring a little more. To be honest, there's not a heckuva lot of difference between the I thru IV models.

AND, this TG-III went for $1375.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sunfire-Theater-Gra ... dZViewItem

A lot depends on the rating of the seller, is there original box/remote, etc...

maddmaxx, I tend to agree with you although I do appreciate the replies on the Outlaw. A Outlaw 950 can be had these days for $400 plus shipping while a Sunfire preamp TGI or II as low as $500-$600?? Well, The Sunfire simply looks badass, if you ask me, and it is presumably all metal - not sure about the Outlaw.

How is the remote on the Sunfire TGs? Any difference between the various versions?

And so, what makes the Architectuals more desireable units over the regular TGs?

My TG1 is all metal, as are all of them. The TG1 came with a decent remote, mine came with the remote III, which is ok, but I like my harmony. I think the arch. version is 19" instead of 17", but it might be the other way around. I know they made less of them than the regular version though, I guess that would make them worth more in people's eyes.

I almost forgot; ALWAYS reset the processor before you do anything in your setup. Mine had all kinds of odd settings and was driving me crazy. I guess there is some zelda code of buttons that did something to it so I couldn't get anything to calibrate right in my place. Reset it and all was well.

Here are $900 and $1400 model Adcoms I have been considering - any experience with either of these, anyone?

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.as ... =1ADGTP860

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.as ... =2ADGTP880

My TG1 is all metal, as are all of them. The TG1 came with a decent remote, mine came with the remote III, which is ok, but I like my harmony. I think the arch. version is 19" instead of 17", but it might be the other way around. I know they made less of them than the regular version though, I guess that would make them worth more in people's eyes.

The architectual models are all 17" wide and a little bit deeper (@ 1.5"), intended for rack use. That's the only difference. The standard versions are 19" wide.

I almost forgot; ALWAYS reset the processor before you do anything in your setup. Mine had all kinds of odd settings and was driving me crazy. I guess there is some zelda code of buttons that did something to it so I couldn't get anything to calibrate right in my place. Reset it and all was well.

Good advice, Bill!