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Post by garcianc » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:34 pm

Actually, that's pretty close. You are supposed to put the sub at your normal sitting position and then crawl around. No, that doesn't mean strap the sub to your arse while you are crawling around, although that might make a nice sequel to magnaryder's video from CF.

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Post by Dreamer » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:49 pm

Well, I've got this sub dialed in to an acceptable level, but I need to use different settings depending on whether I'm listening to Music or watching movies...

I've downloaded a copy of RoomEQ_Wizard for my Mac, to help analyse and correct the output of this sub, but I need to find my old SPL meter, and get either a Velodyne SMS-1 or Behringer 2496 Ultraddrive Pro to do the correcting EQ. Apparently RoomEQ Wizard will program th eBehringer through it's MIDI port after it analyses the room. I don't know if it will program the SMS too, but I'm looking into that, because I think I'm leaning toward the SMS-1 because it's a much more versatile rig.

But whatever I decide to get, it's off in the future, because I've pretty much blown my Audio Wad for this year according to my sweetie... :(

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Post by bob p » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:51 pm

Dreamer wrote:But whatever I decide to get, it's off in the future, because I've pretty much blown my Audio Wad for this year according to my sweetie... :(
Damn. Richard, I feel your pain, brother. I feel your pain! :-({|=
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Post by TNRabbit » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:52 pm

Richard,

My Sunfire manual says to dial the sub in for HT then lower it 10 db for music. Maybe that will give you a starting point....

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Post by bob p » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:02 pm

TNRabbit wrote:My Sunfire manual says to dial the sub in for HT then lower it 10 db for music. Maybe that will give you a starting point....
there's a 10dB difference between what's considered right for HT and what's right for music??? I mean, WTF?

Maybe that explains why my biamped HT doesn't sound as offensive as the HT systems I see in the stores. It has FLAT frequency response instead of an obnoxious BIG-ASSED subwoofer hump!
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Post by garcianc » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:27 pm

Dreamer wrote:I don't know if it will program the SMS too, but I'm looking into that, because I think I'm leaning toward the SMS-1 because it's a much more versatile rig.
The latest version of REW will not control the SMS-1 but it will give you the settings to use, then you just plug those in the SMS-1.
The SMS-1 can receive commands via serial port (it is designed to be daisy-chained with other SMS-1s), however, I have not seen those serial codes published anywhere (legally) and it is likely the reason the REW program does not bother programming for a direct connection.
In any case, Velodyne/Outlaw want you using THEIR calibration program built into the SMS-1.
If you do end up getting the SMS-1, like me, you will realize that that's all you need.
I only recommend staying with the Room EQ Wizard if you are going with something that does not come with its own calibration program like the Behringer.

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Post by garcianc » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:36 pm

TNRabbit wrote:Richard,
My Sunfire manual says to dial the sub in for HT then lower it 10 db for music. Maybe that will give you a starting point....
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Sorry Richard, your wallet and your sweetie will hate me. Another reason to get the SMS-1: you can setup six different preset listening modes.
I really only use two. You guessed it: music and movies. I have been meaning to setup a third for SACDs only but I am too lazy and end up just using the remote to increase the volume on the SMS-1 by 3db or so (which still leaves my sub untouched). When I power off the SMS-1, the next time I power it back up the volume and my default settings are back.

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Post by TNRabbit » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:05 am

Richard,

Check this out; lots of good suggestions in here for sub placement, etc. Plus, it's a damned interesting read!

Can you IMAGINE having more than one of those beasts?!?



http://home.jlaudio.com/pdfs/10427.pdf
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Post by Magnaryder » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:01 am

Dreamer wrote:
But whatever I decide to get, it's off in the future, because I've pretty much blown my Audio Wad for this year according to my sweetie...


You have to ask? I guess keeping 'piece'(pun intended) in the family is important too....

ray...cooling it in Bucyrus 8)
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Post by Toy Maker » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:35 am

Guess I'm the LUCKY one....

My GF sees it as... If you buy something, I get to buy something too...
I honestly don't think she has ever told me not to buy anything, if anything, she encourages me to buy more stuff...

THAT'S IT !!!!
I don't have a problem... It's all her fault !!! She's the bad influence !!
Man I feel better having figured that out. For a minute, I thought I was seeing the onset or the beginning stages of OCCD.

(Obsessive Carver Collecting Disorder) IT'S REAL !!!!!

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Post by treitz3 » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:08 pm

My name is Tom Reitz and I have a OCCD. Whoo, I feel better already.

OK, all this talk about this SMS-1 got me to end up getting one. You guys are killing my wallet. #-o :D
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Post by Metalbent » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:47 pm

Dreamer, still only have 1 sub?

I have 2 VA 907.2 velodynes.

I was using 1 for the left front and 1 for the right front. Now I run 1 with my center speaker and the othe for the LFE.

Wow what a difference.

I think I need another sub to put with the left front.

Anyone else dedicating a sub for the different channels?
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Post by treitz3 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:54 pm

Hey MB, thanks for giving this thread a bump. Dreamer.....get the SMS-1! That will be your last purchase and it will dial that sub, room and your mains seamlessly. I'm really digging the end result with mine in Sparky. If you don't have one by CF '08, you can check out and play around with the SMS-1 while you are there.

I rarely see them on the used market which indicates only one thing to me.....
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Post by faustus » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:38 pm

bob p wrote:
TNRabbit wrote:My Sunfire manual says to dial the sub in for HT then lower it 10 db for music. Maybe that will give you a starting point....
there's a 10dB difference between what's considered right for HT and what's right for music??? I mean, WTF?
The 10dB difference is due to the Dolby/DTS spec for the LFE channel. This thread offers a detailed explanation:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

Long story short: you may or may not have to alter subwoofer level by 10dB depending on whether your prepro does the LFE boosting for home theater material.

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Post by TNRabbit » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:38 am

So, Dreamer; lovin' the sub? As Maxxx says "if there's no pix, it didn't happen..." O:)
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Sunfire TG-IV/400~7 Amp
Carver SD/A-360 CDP
Benchmark DAC-1
Sony SACD/DVD-A
Active bi-amp: Ashly XR-1001 & 2 Rane PEQ-15s
Main: HotRodded AL-IIIs
Sub: Klipsch RT-12d
Center: Sunfire CRS-3c
Surround: Sunfire CRS-3 (x 2)

OconeeOrange wrote:"Gary likes to play it 'loud' as do I. His system begs you turn it up until you die"

RIP WIlliam B. Dibble, 1948-2012. I'll miss you my friend.

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