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tah800

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Post Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:16 am

speaker cable

I need to run over 30ft of speaker cable to my rear speakers. They are Martin Logan Scripts. Would like to have some fairly good cable. Contacted Cardas. They only sell one type of wire in bulk. They were asking $10.50/ft. american for it . I'll need close to 80 ft all said and done. I thought close to a grand to run rear speakers just a wee bit on the expensive side. Any other suggestions for fairly good quality cable. Thxs Art
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Post Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:22 am

Re: speaker cable

It should sound like it isn't there!
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Post Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:58 am

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Post Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:48 am

Re: speaker cable

http://signalcable.com/classicspeaker.html
http://signalcable.com/ultraspeaker.html
This place seems to have reasonable prices and I plan to order from them when my "project"
speakers are finished. Good luck ! :)
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Post Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:17 pm

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Signal cable is a good line,,and Frank will treat you right.Good solid, well built cables,,I have some of his PC's and speaker cables.
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Post Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:43 pm

Re: speaker cable

Tah800, try these guys in Canada. No customs hassle, GREAT cable and bananas and really decent pricing. Changed most of my speaker wiring with this stuff and was an improvement even over my bulk Monster Cable.

http://axiomaudio.com/cables.html
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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:45 am

Re: speaker cable

Go to the hardware store and buy a spool of outdoor-grade low-voltage lighting wire--the stuff you use to wire up landscape lighting. TNRabbit uses it in his rig at CarverFest, and it sounds pretty damn good, and it's cheaper than dirt...

For your rear speakers, you dont need to worry too much about esoteric cables. If you've got a good processor, a decent amp and good speakers, as long as the wire is low-resistance, anything that effectively conducts electricity should suffice.

I'm not joking about the low-voltage lighting wire. The stuff is one of those "sleepers" in the audio world, ESPECIALLY for non-critical applications like rear speakers.

Are you running Martin Logans elsewhere in your system? The Scripts are GREAT speakers for HT applications. I'm interested what you're using as Fronts and Center.

Check out my system (link in my signature line)...

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..............................• Martin Logan Scenarios, Logos • Realistic Minimus 7's • Velodyne F-1500b •

2 Ch. Rig • Carver C-4000t • Silver 7t's • Krell KAV-300i • Oppo DV-981HD • Benchmark DAC1-USB • MacBook Pro 17", iTunes •
......• Technics SL-1350 turntable with Sumiko headshell, leads, and Bluepoint cartridge • Martin Logan Sequels •

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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:12 am

Re: speaker cable

What's the gauge of the outdoor wiring?
It should sound like it isn't there!
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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:20 am

Re: speaker cable

Both Rabbit's and mine are 12ga. The stuff rated for burial has incredibly tough insulation on it too. :)
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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:13 am

Re: speaker cable

WOW~ I NEVER thought I would hear Dreamer recommend plain 'ol wiring for speakers....

I'll bet Satan is shivering right now...


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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:15 am

Re: speaker cable

Did you slip him suppin. :lol:
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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:44 pm

Re: speaker cable

I will share something I learned at the Fest. That is: if you want a more "tube-like" sound put a 1.5 Ohm resistor in series with the speaker lead. This will provide 90% of the "tube sound". So even though we all thought (me too) you need low gage, thick wires that is NOT the case. I got the from Bob Carver. He said in England they routinely use "skinny" wire because it "sounds better". That alone was worth the trip. If you think I'm crazy I will tell you his response: Try It.

I hope many of you do & let us know what you think.

Meanwhile I wouldn't pay $10.00/ft until after you try the skinny (cheap) wire.
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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:49 pm

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Frankie, you forgot to add that with that resistor, bump the bass tone control up about 1 dB to complete the "illusion"...

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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:03 pm

Re: speaker cable

frankieD wrote:I will share something I learned at the Fest. That is: if you want a more "tube-like" sound put a 1.5 Ohm resistor in series with the speaker lead. This will provide 90% of the "tube sound". So even though we all thought (me too) you need low gage, thick wires that is NOT the case. I got the from Bob Carver. He said in England they routinely use "skinny" wire because it "sounds better". That alone was worth the trip. If you think I'm crazy I will tell you his response: Try It.

I hope many of you do & let us know what you think.

Meanwhile I wouldn't pay $10.00/ft until after you try the skinny (cheap) wire.


Frankie, the theory behind the skinny wire is that it has increased resistance at lower frequencies therefore causing an apparent bass boost in the 2 lower octaves. Now, I have read in several articles that Bob likes his bass quite a bit looser than many of us do so he would naturally prefer the skinnier wire for that bass boost. Using thicker wire flattens things out in the bass area and tightens up the sound. IMO it all boils down to a matter of preference.
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Post Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:15 pm

Re: speaker cable

Yes Obi it is precisly the added resistace that Bob was talking about. If you ran a long (25') cable in thin gage it might add an Ohm (maybe less) of resistance. But Bob was talking about the T-mod being mostly about extra resistance. That is across the spectrum not limited to low frequency.

All I'm saying is we all should try it and see what difference it ACTUALLY makes with thinner rather that jumper cable size speaker wires. Especially if the fat wire cost a lot. I had a conversation with Jesse who has pretty much the ultimate in that EVERY aspect of his system was the top level. My comment is that we can argue as to what difference what mod made but there is no arguing about what you hear. I don't know if his pc or ic's or speaker cable is doing it but the system was "beyond excellent" when I listened.

As to your comment on preference that is EXACTLY right. See how YOU like it and act accordingly.

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