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Lightstar Direct sound - Jekyll and Hyde?

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Post Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:08 am

Lightstar Direct sound - Jekyll and Hyde?

I stumbled across this review (by Steven Stone) of the Pass Aleph P preamp from Stereophile, February, 1996, where a comparison was made against a Lightstar Direct (then in house for review) where the following statements were made:

Compared to the remarkable Carver Research Lightstar Direct preamplifier used in its passive balanced-output mode (see review elsewhere in this issue), the Pass Aleph ran a very close second. On Sara K's cover of the Allman Brothers Band's blues chestnut "Whipping Post" from Tell Me I’m Not Dreamin' (Cheeky JD 133), the Pass was slightly darker harmonically, losing some of the "plastic pick sound" from Bruce Dunlap's exceptional guitar and some of the sibilance from Sara's s's. Microdynamics seemed slightly compressed on the Pass, with some of the subtle vocal shadings on Sara's voice reduced Depth was somewhat truncated by the Pass, as was the dimensionality of the reverberant field in St. Peter's church.

Again, the difference in low-level detail between the passive Carver and the active Pass made the music easier to decipher through the Carver. Fortunately, the Aleph P's harmonic balance is remarkably close to that of the Carver, lacking only a speck of top-end air on cymbals and low-bass resolution on synthesizer, percussion, and bass guitar parts.

However, when the Aleph P was compared to the Carver's active single ended output, the results weren't even close.. . the Aleph clearly outclassed the Lightstar. There wasn't a single sonic parameter where the Pass wasn't vastly superior—dimensionality, grain, transient response, transparency, bass extension, top-end air, basic noise level, lowlevel detail—you name it, the Pass ruled.


It would seem that unless you use the Lightstar's passive balanced outputs (based on this review), you may want to consider a different preamp. What say you to this, Lightstar Direct owners?
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Post Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:46 am

Re: Lightstar Direct sound - Jekyll and Hyde?

....consider the source....
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Post Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:36 am

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I take it you're not a Stereophile reader...
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stereo_buff wrote:I take it you're not a Stereophile reader...


bingo!
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From FrankieD's lips to your ears: Sunfire - a quiet box of endless power.

Sunfire TG-IV/400~7 Amp
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Active bi-amp: Ashly XR-1001 & 2 Rane PEQ-15s
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Post Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:24 pm

Re: Lightstar Direct sound - Jekyll and Hyde?

I owned a Lightstar Direct and I only used the balanced outs. I never tried out the rca outs. I found it's sound very nice. I think if I had never listened to a tube preamp I might still own the Lightstar.
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Post Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:26 pm

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If I ever have the chance to SERIOUSLY listen to a Lightstar I will give it some serious thought. Thanks for the feedback!
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Post Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:06 pm

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stereo_buff wrote:If I ever have the chance to SERIOUSLY listen to a Lightstar I will give it some serious thought. Thanks for the feedback!


If you are a Sunfire Classic tube owner like myself I would stick with it. Imo the Sunfire out classes the Lightstar.
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Post Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:16 pm

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Snoop65 wrote:
stereo_buff wrote:If I ever have the chance to SERIOUSLY listen to a Lightstar I will give it some serious thought. Thanks for the feedback!


If you are a Sunfire Classic tube owner like myself I would stick with it. Imo the Sunfire out classes the Lightstar.

Yeah, I am a Sunfire Classic Tube Pre owner, including the phono card, which is important since I listen to LPs the majority of the time. There is no phono input for the Lightstar Direct - right?
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Post Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:32 pm

Re: Lightstar Direct sound - Jekyll and Hyde?

stereo_buff wrote:
Snoop65 wrote:
stereo_buff wrote:If I ever have the chance to SERIOUSLY listen to a Lightstar I will give it some serious thought. Thanks for the feedback!


If you are a Sunfire Classic tube owner like myself I would stick with it. Imo the Sunfire out classes the Lightstar.

Yeah, I am a Sunfire Classic Tube Pre owner, including the phono card, which is important since I listen to LPs the majority of the time. There is no phono input for the Lightstar Direct - right?


Nope no phono section. I have lots of lp's too I NEED a phono section! 8)
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Post Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:19 am

Re: Lightstar Direct sound - Jekyll and Hyde?

Guys, phono section should not be a deal breaker. Just buy a phono pre. There are a ton of excellent phono pres out there.
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Post Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:32 am

Re: Lightstar Direct sound - Jekyll and Hyde?

engtaz wrote:Guys, phono section should not be a deal breaker. Just buy a phono pre. There are a ton of excellent phono pres out there.


Understood. Just my personal preference to have a full featured preamp. 8)
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Post Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:20 am

Re: Lightstar Direct sound - Jekyll and Hyde?

I understand, I just feel that on a lot of all inone receivers that better phono pres could be had.
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