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ALiii Spikes?

Post by indyaudio » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:31 am

Wondering if any of you ALiii owners have spiked your pair and if so, did you realize improved bass response?

I just upgrade my woofs to Infinity Kappa Perfect 10.1s and am going back in next week while on vacation to upgrade internal wiring to the xovers, swap out the mounting screws with better hardware, and replace the gaskets (mine were missing altogether). While I'm laying both of them down, wondering about drilling the bases and adding some Parts Express spikes, what say ye?

I must admit the bases make moving these bad boys around pretty easy on my carpeted floor (over concrete basement floor). Spiking will be a freaking nightmare to maneuver around. Heck, my little KEF 104/2 (by comparison) are spiked and moving them around is a bitch. I wind up dancing them around, tipping on one spike and walking them unless I need to pick them up and move them a few feet at a time. Also, the ALs are pretty "tippy" already, would hate to make it worse with spikes.

But, you know what "they" say about spiking and connecting to the floor below when on carpet.

Interested to hear from you all on this topic and apologies if it's covered in a thread somewhere already...I did check, but keep getting distracted reading many old threads on all of this addictive audio stuff. And thus, I am a newbie:)

Thanks in advance guys.
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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by F1nut » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:59 am

Spikes are a must do tweak.

If you're looking at those two piece spikes at PE there's better choices.
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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by EndersShadow » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:33 am

I have a set of Meniscus Audio Brass spikes I bought that I am not currently using. I believe they use the same threading as the PE spikes.

I could let you use them for a bit to see if they make a difference for you. If you like the way they sound you can just replace my set from them. If you don't like the way they sound, all you've done is put some screwholes in the bottom of your bases no one will see.

P.S. if you do spike, purchase some moving men to put under the spikes so you can still slide the speakers across the floor. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

Here is a link to my spikes: http://meniscusaudio.com/extra-points-p-208.html


Now that I think about it, I have the spikes that came with my LSi 15's you can have if you want them. They are threaded 1/20 thread I think and the spike part loosk kinda like the link below, my only concern would be if they bent under the weight of the AL-III's. The LSi 15's are 66 lbs, but they use the same spikes on the 25's which are 91 lbs so you should be fine....

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdet ... er=240-725

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Post by treitz3 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:47 am

F1nut wrote:Spikes are a must do tweak.
I completely agree, Jesse. I have yet to hear a speaker that can't benefit from the addition of spikes. EndersShadow, the spikes you are using are the exact spikes I use on the Tyler's.
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Post by EndersShadow » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:55 am

treitz3 wrote:
F1nut wrote:Spikes are a must do tweak.
I completely agree, Jesse. I have yet to hear a speaker that can't benefit from the addition of spikes. EndersShadow, the spikes you are using are the exact spikes I use on the Tyler's.
I just took a couple quick pics (taken with iPhone) to show the differences. The thread for the Meniscus spike wasnt tightened down all the way. The LSi spike is using the Meniscus T-Nut since I dont need them for my LSi's...

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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by EndersShadow » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:17 pm

Give me a call and we could meet up later today or Monday if you want. Also the brass spikes look nicer I just didn't clean them before snapping that pic

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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by F1nut » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:22 pm

They are threaded 1/20 thread I think
The thread pattern for Polk speakers is 1/4-20.
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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by kingman » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:24 pm

MY GOD!!! WHAT NEXT????...Drilling holes in the AL III's is not the answer!!!! They are aready tiltled towards the back. Maybe put "karma" rocks on the sub module. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by Snoop65 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:09 pm

F1nut wrote:Spikes are a must do tweak.

If you're looking at those two piece spikes at PE there's better choices.
Could you name them and post some links?
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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by mbskeam » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:31 pm

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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by sisu1a » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:56 pm

They are threaded 1/20 thread I think


Nope. M6 is fairly common as well... which looks just like 1/4-20 but ain't.

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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by indyaudio » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:11 pm

EndersShadow wrote:I have a set of Meniscus Audio Brass spikes I bought that I am not currently using. I believe they use the same threading as the PE spikes.

I could let you use them for a bit to see if they make a difference for you. If you like the way they sound you can just replace my set from them. If you don't like the way they sound, all you've done is put some screwholes in the bottom of your bases no one will see.

P.S. if you do spike, purchase some moving men to put under the spikes so you can still slide the speakers across the floor. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

Here is a link to my spikes: http://meniscusaudio.com/extra-points-p-208.html


Now that I think about it, I have the spikes that came with my LSi 15's you can have if you want them. They are threaded 1/20 thread I think and the spike part loosk kinda like the link below, my only concern would be if they bent under the weight of the AL-III's. The LSi 15's are 66 lbs, but they use the same spikes on the 25's which are 91 lbs so you should be fine....

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdet ... er=240-725

EndersShadow, thanks much for the offer, I like the brass spikes you have, look suitable stout to put under these towering speakers. One question - I thought the whole point to spikes was to make a direct connection between the spike point and the concrete floor below. Why would you put anything underneath them or use the little discs that come with them (other than to protect a non carpeted floor from damage)?
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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by indyaudio » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:14 pm

F1nut wrote:Spikes are a must do tweak.

If you're looking at those two piece spikes at PE there's better choices.
F1Nut, thanks for the reply. I purchased a set of these (Dayton black chrome spikes DSS3-BC) from PE awhile ago, for smaller speakers. I think they are too narrow and a bit long for the ALs.

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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by indyaudio » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:16 pm

kingman wrote:MY GOD!!! WHAT NEXT????...Drilling holes in the AL III's is not the answer!!!! They are aready tiltled towards the back. Maybe put "karma" rocks on the sub module. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
Kingman, good point (no pun intended). Didn't realize they are tilted, the spiking may be an issue with added tipping. Hmmmm, wondering what to do here. Some low, squatty spikes, if at all. Has anyone actually spiked an ALiii?
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Carver - M4.0t amp; CT17 preamp; C9 Holography; Digital Time Lens; SDA360 CD
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Re: ALiii Spikes?

Post by EndersShadow » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:29 pm

indyaudio wrote:
EndersShadow wrote:P.S. if you do spike, purchase some moving men to put under the spikes so you can still slide the speakers across the floor. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

Here is a link to my spikes: http://meniscusaudio.com/extra-points-p-208.html

EndersShadow, thanks much for the offer, I like the brass spikes you have, look suitable stout to put under these towering speakers. One question - I thought the whole point to spikes was to make a direct connection between the spike point and the concrete floor below. Why would you put anything underneath them or use the little discs that come with them (other than to protect a non carpeted floor from damage)?
The moving men would ONLY be used to re-adjust them. Once located in their final position you would remove them....
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