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Post Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:12 pm

Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

I just wired up my living room in the new house.
I have a question on the best way to wire, specifically the tube buffer.
Right now, I have the eq running through the mxr tape loop, and the bbe through the eq loop.
I have the CD player running to the tube buffer, and then to the mxr.

Any thoughts? #-o #-o
Chris

Living Room/main System:
Sunfire TGP IV
Sunfire 300x2
Carver Amazing Silvers
Apple tv
Carver SD 390t
Technics SL 1950 Turntable

Basement/system 2:
Carver MXR-130
Teac reel to reel
Musical Fidelity X-10D tube buffer
BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer
Nikko eq2
Cerwin Vega HED's
Klipsch SW15
Infinity RS10's
Pioneer 100 disk changer

Garage system:
Pioneer VSX something?
Polk Audio 2500
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Post Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

I personally wouldn't run an EQ AND a BBE unit together.

But that's me.
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Post Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:35 am

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

TNRabbit wrote:I personally wouldn't run an EQ AND a BBE unit together.

But that's me.


Why?

I guess I could run them through seperate tape loops to compare?
Chris

Living Room/main System:
Sunfire TGP IV
Sunfire 300x2
Carver Amazing Silvers
Apple tv
Carver SD 390t
Technics SL 1950 Turntable

Basement/system 2:
Carver MXR-130
Teac reel to reel
Musical Fidelity X-10D tube buffer
BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer
Nikko eq2
Cerwin Vega HED's
Klipsch SW15
Infinity RS10's
Pioneer 100 disk changer

Garage system:
Pioneer VSX something?
Polk Audio 2500
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Post Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:38 am

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

I didn't need my bbe after going active & installing the Rane parametric EQs.

Just my 2 cents~
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Carver SD/A-360 CDP
Benchmark DAC-1
Sony SACD/DVD-A
Active bi-amp: Ashly XR-1001 & 2 Rane PEQ-15s
Main: HotRodded AL-IIIs
Sub: Klipsch RT-12d
Center: Sunfire CRS-3c
Surround: Sunfire CRS-3 (x 2)

OconeeOrange wrote:"Gary likes to play it 'loud' as do I. His system begs you turn it up until you die"

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Post Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:34 pm

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

Too much stuff in the signal path. If you really need all that to get good sound, you should consider starting over again with gear that doesn't require all that to sound good.
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:00 am

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

F1nut wrote:Too much stuff in the signal path. If you really need all that to get good sound, you should consider starting over again with gear that doesn't require all that to sound good.


I have the mxr130 as my amp right now, and I am currently looking into upgrading to Sunfire or at least a carver power amp.

I guess I should rephrase my question. Without buying thousands in all new gear, how can I get the best sound with what I have?

I was also told(here on the forum)that the bbe would really enhance my amazings.
Chris

Living Room/main System:
Sunfire TGP IV
Sunfire 300x2
Carver Amazing Silvers
Apple tv
Carver SD 390t
Technics SL 1950 Turntable

Basement/system 2:
Carver MXR-130
Teac reel to reel
Musical Fidelity X-10D tube buffer
BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer
Nikko eq2
Cerwin Vega HED's
Klipsch SW15
Infinity RS10's
Pioneer 100 disk changer

Garage system:
Pioneer VSX something?
Polk Audio 2500
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:34 am

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

Chris...if you are running 130 watts per into the Amazings then you are barely hearing them and lucky the receiver hasn't shut down. Is this what is happening or did I just misread the last post? :shock:
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:34 am

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

kingman wrote:Chris...if you are running 130 watts per into the Amazings then you are barely hearing them and lucky the receiver hasn't shut down. Is this what is happening or did I just misread the last post? :shock:


No, it's running fine for now. I really was just wondering an the wiring scenario?

I do realize I need more juice to run these things!

What is the minimum power I should be putting to the amazings?
Chris

Living Room/main System:
Sunfire TGP IV
Sunfire 300x2
Carver Amazing Silvers
Apple tv
Carver SD 390t
Technics SL 1950 Turntable

Basement/system 2:
Carver MXR-130
Teac reel to reel
Musical Fidelity X-10D tube buffer
BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer
Nikko eq2
Cerwin Vega HED's
Klipsch SW15
Infinity RS10's
Pioneer 100 disk changer

Garage system:
Pioneer VSX something?
Polk Audio 2500
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:46 am

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

Minimum power is a very subjective thing. More importantly you need an amplifier that will source a lot of current.

Are you happy with sound the BBE unit gives you? That's all that really matters~
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Sunfire TG-IV/400~7 Amp
Carver SD/A-360 CDP
Benchmark DAC-1
Sony SACD/DVD-A
Active bi-amp: Ashly XR-1001 & 2 Rane PEQ-15s
Main: HotRodded AL-IIIs
Sub: Klipsch RT-12d
Center: Sunfire CRS-3c
Surround: Sunfire CRS-3 (x 2)

OconeeOrange wrote:"Gary likes to play it 'loud' as do I. His system begs you turn it up until you die"

RIP WIlliam B. Dibble, 1948-2012. I'll miss you my friend.
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:50 am

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

TNRabbit wrote:Minimum power is a very subjective thing. More importantly you need an amplifier that will source a lot of current.

Are you happy with sound the BBE unit gives you? That's all that really matters~


It seems to add depth? Maybe because I'm not pushing enough power?
Chris

Living Room/main System:
Sunfire TGP IV
Sunfire 300x2
Carver Amazing Silvers
Apple tv
Carver SD 390t
Technics SL 1950 Turntable

Basement/system 2:
Carver MXR-130
Teac reel to reel
Musical Fidelity X-10D tube buffer
BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer
Nikko eq2
Cerwin Vega HED's
Klipsch SW15
Infinity RS10's
Pioneer 100 disk changer

Garage system:
Pioneer VSX something?
Polk Audio 2500
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:16 pm

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

Personally, I think the BBE is nothing more than a simple EQ ( If you check the specs it boosts @ 50 Hertz and 8000 hertz IIRC).

That's 1 reason I don't think you need both units.

On the power side, can you reach your level of volume that you like without straining your receiver? Has it ever gone into protection shutdown because you were driving it hard? If not & you're happy with the sound, consider yourself lucky.

The AL-IIIs are a difficult load, mostly due to the passive crossover. An amp capable of putting a comfortable 600 watss at 4 ohms into them will get the most out of them. It all really depends on your common listening level & your expectations from a speaker.

I wohld definitely lose either the eq or the BBE. You don't need both.
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From FrankieD's lips to your ears: Sunfire - a quiet box of endless power.

Sunfire TG-IV/400~7 Amp
Carver SD/A-360 CDP
Benchmark DAC-1
Sony SACD/DVD-A
Active bi-amp: Ashly XR-1001 & 2 Rane PEQ-15s
Main: HotRodded AL-IIIs
Sub: Klipsch RT-12d
Center: Sunfire CRS-3c
Surround: Sunfire CRS-3 (x 2)

OconeeOrange wrote:"Gary likes to play it 'loud' as do I. His system begs you turn it up until you die"

RIP WIlliam B. Dibble, 1948-2012. I'll miss you my friend.
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:12 pm

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

TNRabbit wrote:Personally, I think the BBE is nothing more than a simple EQ ( If you check the specs it boosts @ 50 Hertz and 8000 hertz IIRC).


I always thought BBE was doing some EQ plus some phase shifting.
FWIW, I've got both EQ and BBE running on my plats.
Sounds good to me.
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:18 pm

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

Martin1970 wrote:
TNRabbit wrote:Personally, I think the BBE is nothing more than a simple EQ ( If you check the specs it boosts @ 50 Hertz and 8000 hertz IIRC).


I always thought BBE was doing some EQ plus some phase shifting.
FWIW, I've got both EQ and BBE running on my plats.
Sounds good to me.


I know they SAY it does, but I have my doubts. At any rate, it also has bass/treble boost.
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From FrankieD's lips to your ears: Sunfire - a quiet box of endless power.

Sunfire TG-IV/400~7 Amp
Carver SD/A-360 CDP
Benchmark DAC-1
Sony SACD/DVD-A
Active bi-amp: Ashly XR-1001 & 2 Rane PEQ-15s
Main: HotRodded AL-IIIs
Sub: Klipsch RT-12d
Center: Sunfire CRS-3c
Surround: Sunfire CRS-3 (x 2)

OconeeOrange wrote:"Gary likes to play it 'loud' as do I. His system begs you turn it up until you die"

RIP WIlliam B. Dibble, 1948-2012. I'll miss you my friend.
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:28 pm

Re: Eq, bbe sonic maximizer, and tube buffer wiring

Martin1970 wrote:
TNRabbit wrote:Personally, I think the BBE is nothing more than a simple EQ ( If you check the specs it boosts @ 50 Hertz and 8000 hertz IIRC).


I always thought BBE was doing some EQ plus some phase shifting.
FWIW, I've got both EQ and BBE running on my plats.
Sounds good to me.


Mine sounds good as well. \:D/

But, time for more power...

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Living Room/main System:
Sunfire TGP IV
Sunfire 300x2
Carver Amazing Silvers
Apple tv
Carver SD 390t
Technics SL 1950 Turntable

Basement/system 2:
Carver MXR-130
Teac reel to reel
Musical Fidelity X-10D tube buffer
BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer
Nikko eq2
Cerwin Vega HED's
Klipsch SW15
Infinity RS10's
Pioneer 100 disk changer

Garage system:
Pioneer VSX something?
Polk Audio 2500

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