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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:27 pm

Re: Need help for carver amazing

H20doctor wrote:Ya I guess you have a point there ... I really wouldn't need an EQ now that I think about it..
So who elses on this Board Owns amazings, and what are there amp set ups ???
Has anyone posted video on Youtube of there speakers shaking a glass off water ?


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http://www.carveraudio.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=116
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:58 pm

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F1nut wrote:At a maximum output of @ 113dB, you'll never get blood to drip from your ears. :roll:


Jesse, what kind of SPL would be required for that? Something in the 140db+ range?
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:03 pm

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H20doctor wrote: I am running a small sony Home receiver on them right now at 70 watts per channel, but its not even close to what I know these speakers are capeable of!!! So i am looking at getting a good amp for them and having atleast 250 watts per speaker, OR ? what do you reccomend to make them sing ? anyway I have had my dream come true and i have my speakers !!!



If budget constraints are a problem (and who among us doesn't consider economics as a factor?) you should seriously consider one of RichP's MkII Carver amps. That way you could have the Carver sound and a killer amount of power. I can attest having had the honor of A/B testing my M500 to RichP's M500 MkII. Bloody amazing power!
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:22 pm

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What's the price of a MKll amp ? Are these new amps made today or amps of years gone by..?
What about a TFM- 45 Or M 1.0 ... OR the M 4.0 ? ... So many carver amps so little time ..
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:23 pm

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Marc, I have to admit that I don't quite understand your question.

The SPL of 113dB at 1 meter is the SPL or am I missing something here?





BTW H20doctor, Richie sucks donkey dicks. Don't waste your money.
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:27 pm

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This is a good debate ... How much DB to make ears bleed!!!
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:31 pm

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To give some idea.....

Decibel (Loudness) Comparison Chart
Here are some interesting numbers, collected from a variety of sources, that help one to understand the volume levels of various sources and how they can affect our hearing.

Environmental Noise

Weakest sound heard 0dB
Whisper Quiet Library 30dB
Normal conversation (3-5') 60-70dB
Telephone dial tone 80dB
City Traffic (inside car) 85dB
Train whistle at 500', Truck Traffic 90dB
Subway train at 200' 95dB
Level at which sustained exposure may result in hearing loss 90 - 95dB
Power mower at 3' 107dB
Snowmobile, Motorcycle 100dB
Power saw at 3' 110dB
Sandblasting, Loud Rock Concert 115dB
Pain begins 125dB
Pneumatic riveter at 4' 125dB
Even short term exposure can cause permanent damage - Loudest recommended exposure WITH hearing protection 140dB
Jet engine at 100', Gun Blast 140dB
Death of hearing tissue 180dB
Loudest sound possible 194dB

OSHA Daily Permissible Noise Level Exposure
Hours per day Sound level
8 90dB
6 92dB
4 95dB
3 97dB
2 100dB
1.5 102dB
1 105dB
.5 110dB
.25 or less 115dB


Perceptions of Increases in Decibel Level
Imperceptible Change 1dB
Barely Perceptible Change 3dB
Clearly Noticeable Change 5dB
About Twice as Loud 10dB
About Four Times as Loud 20dB


Sound Levels of Music
Normal piano practice 60 -70dB
Fortissimo Singer, 3' 70dB
Chamber music, small auditorium 75 - 85dB
Piano Fortissimo 84 - 103dB
Violin 82 - 92dB
Cello 85 -111dB
Oboe 95-112dB
Flute 92 -103dB
Piccolo 90 -106dB
Clarinet 85 - 114dB
French horn 90 - 106dB
Trombone 85 - 114dB
Tympani & bass drum 106dB
Walkman on 5/10 94dB
Symphonic music peak 120 - 137dB
Amplifier rock, 4-6' 120dB
Rock music peak 150dB


NOTES:

One-third of the total power of a 75-piece orchestra comes from the bass drum.
High frequency sounds of 2-4,000 Hz are the most damaging. The uppermost octave of the piccolo is 2,048-4,096 Hz.
Aging causes gradual hearing loss, mostly in the high frequencies.
Speech reception is not seriously impaired until there is about 30 dB loss; by that time severe damage may have occurred.
Hypertension and various psychological difficulties can be related to noise exposure.
The incidence of hearing loss in classical musicians has been estimated at 4-43%, in rock musicians 13-30%.
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:40 pm

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More.....

A 3dB increase is twice as loud, in that increasing the level by +3dB by definition means twice as much audio energy is now being pumped into the room - well, actually 1.995 times as much, thanks to the wonders of logarithms. But the human ear’s response is also logarithmic, so twice the energy does not sound like twice the volume.

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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:06 pm

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He is some great Carver gear from a upstanding Carver members just to name a couple.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7685

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6640
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Carver M4.0T in front channels to Caver AL VI's in SACD & 2 Channel setup
C 16, PT 2400, Slim Device, Carver TX-8, 490T and Rega TT w Grado Gold cart in the 2 channel setup
Bogen SRB20 is computer amp
Carver PM-350 donated for youth church use
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:43 pm

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F1nut wrote:Marc, I have to admit that I don't quite understand your question.

The SPL of 113dB at 1 meter is the SPL or am I missing something here?



Jesse, my question was about what kind of SPL would be necessary to actually cause your ears to bleed and for some reason I thought that you might know this off the top of your head. My best guess was something over 140db, so lets say 30db louder than the Amazings are capable of playing whihc would either require speakers 30db more efficient with the same power amplifier (and the power handling capacity to match) or 1000 X the power output.

So, lets guess that the 113db figure for the maximum acoustic ouptup from a set of Amazings requires 500W which is also roughly theeir maximum power handling capacity, to actually make your ears bleed you might be looking at 30 pairs of Amazings with 30X 500WPC amplifiers being driven to clipping.

Was just trying to emphasize that it is pretty much impossible to actually make your ears bleed in a home environment unless you poke some knitting needles into them while listening to moviesé
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:10 pm

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H20doctor wrote:What's the price of a MKll amp ? Are these new amps made today or amps of years gone by..?
What about a TFM- 45 Or M 1.0 ... OR the M 4.0 ? ... So many carver amps so little time ..


Here ya go: http://carvermk2.com
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:30 pm

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Glass of water.... Oooooh boy, you have NO IDEA how fkn' crazy we are here...
Here was 07's CARVERFEST video.... I got the camera, and that's Ray trying not to fall off.




If I put a glass of water 12" in front of my speakers, I could probably knock it over \:D/
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:51 pm

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Ah yes Marc, it's all so clear now. :)

I'm thinking that somewhere around "Death of hearing tissue 180dB" just might do it.
:shock:
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Post Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:06 pm

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F1nut wrote:Ah yes Marc, it's all so clear now. :)

I'm thinking that somewhere around "Death of hearing tissue 180dB" just might do it.
:shock:


Hmmmm, that does sound like overkill, but would probably do the trick just fine!
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Post Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:29 am

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Thread successfully hijacked... :D
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From FrankieD's lips to your ears: Sunfire - a quiet box of endless power.

Sunfire TG-IV/400~7 Amp
Carver SD/A-360 CDP
Benchmark DAC-1
Sony SACD/DVD-A
Active bi-amp: Ashly XR-1001 & 2 Rane PEQ-15s
Main: HotRodded AL-IIIs
Sub: Klipsch RT-12d
Center: Sunfire CRS-3c
Surround: Sunfire CRS-3 (x 2)

OconeeOrange wrote:"Gary likes to play it 'loud' as do I. His system begs you turn it up until you die"

RIP WIlliam B. Dibble, 1948-2012. I'll miss you my friend.
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